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2009-12-27
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JavaME doesn't add anything to a browser. If you want support for java applets you probably want JavaSE.
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2009-12-27
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Originally Posted by JPvdBos
I agree. In addition, most internet banks need java support. No Java - no money, no money - no fun. Java is a must, at least if the N900 is to be a "mobile computer".
I put in a vote for Java ME. The reason is:
- On any computer equipped with a browser (that includes Java) I can reach my workstation.
- The N900 has a great browser which works wonderful.
- It just lacks the Java support needed.
To do what? Use Secure Global Desktop (SGD) to reach my workstation (safely placed in a datacenter) and get work done.
For more on SGD: Wiki page 1.
For the type of Java support needed: Wiki page 2.
I really hope Java support will arrive soon. It would finish the "computer in your pocket".
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2009-12-28
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Originally Posted by bsving
Hi!
I agree...".
If I understand this discussion thread correctly - you are invited to vote in the Brainstorm section to make your opinion heard.
Please refer to post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=149
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2009-12-28
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Originally Posted by shadowjk
I understand your remark, thanks. The application I'm trying to use on the N900 is SUN Secure Global Desktop.
JavaME doesn't add anything to a browser. If you want support for java applets you probably want JavaSE.
It uses the browser to perform authorization (log-in on an HTTPS connection) and than starts an X11 session (on the client) that displays the remote computer (workstation). So the actual application is outside the browser. And requires the JavaME.
At least - that's what I got from the Wiki pages in my previous post and my experience using this on an actual computer (both MAC and PC).
Regards,
Jan-Paul
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2009-12-28
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eww, java is appalling.
But it's also an industry standard :|
SGD? Why not ssh like normal people. >.> And if you seriously need a remote desktop, there's VNC, which you can also tunnel through ssh to encrypt. In any case, browser apps are a bad thing, and java is a bad thing. When I heard the n900 didn't even do java, I was like "yay, that's the phone for me". But I can still understand, that some people want it. But that's nothing more then just a sad fact.
But it's also an industry standard :|
SGD? Why not ssh like normal people. >.> And if you seriously need a remote desktop, there's VNC, which you can also tunnel through ssh to encrypt. In any case, browser apps are a bad thing, and java is a bad thing. When I heard the n900 didn't even do java, I was like "yay, that's the phone for me". But I can still understand, that some people want it. But that's nothing more then just a sad fact.
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2009-12-28
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Originally Posted by shapeshifter
Hi Shapeshifter,
SGD? Why not ssh like normal people.
Forgive my ignorance - how could SSH provide access to the SSGD server? Where could I find out more to learn about this?
Thanx!
Jan-Paul
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2009-12-28
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Originally Posted by JPvdBos
I'm sorry, ssh does not help with that. I was simply criticising the fact that people even use something like SGD, I'm guessing this was the choice of your employer. Stuff like SGD and lots of other java dependant stuff simply is reality in todays businesses as java is the industry standard. And I was just saying, that this is suboptimal.
how could SSH provide access to the SSGD server?
You definitely need java.
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2009-12-29
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It looks like, somebody needs to pay jalimo's guys attention to this thread.
There were positive promises here: http://lists.evolvis.org/pipermail/j...er/000418.html As far as I know, N900 is already in Sebastian's hands.
Update. Pinged Jalimo: http://lists.evolvis.org/pipermail/j...er/000429.html and http://lists.evolvis.org/pipermail/j...er/000430.html
Let's wait...
Last edited by vitaly_repin; 2009-12-29 at 08:31.
There were positive promises here: http://lists.evolvis.org/pipermail/j...er/000418.html As far as I know, N900 is already in Sebastian's hands.
Update. Pinged Jalimo: http://lists.evolvis.org/pipermail/j...er/000429.html and http://lists.evolvis.org/pipermail/j...er/000430.html
Let's wait...
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2009-12-30
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This other thread has instructions for getting Sun's Java SE working fairly well on the N900.
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
Unfortunately Qt Jambi has been discontinued.
You just end up with 2 toolkits, Swing and GTK (Maemo 5) or Qt (Maemo 6). Not recommended for the faint of heart although for backwards compatibility its either an option or not.
Ability to use Java applets is also sometimes required as example above.
I don't believe Java support on the device is going to be a killer feature though, but doesn't mean those who care should stop caring.
Can one not simply port their Java application to Qt Jambi? Provided one has access to source that is.
FWIW, I've made a stub for Java at Maemo wiki the old article was unnecessarily technical, out of date, and mostly about Nokia 770.
http://qt.nokia.com/about/news/previ...ease-available