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2010-01-06
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#191
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The N1 beats the N900 with phone capabilities. Maemo is way behind the android OS... though older by 2.5 years. We all hope the N900 catches up some day...
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2010-01-06
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@ Springfield, MA, USA
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Originally Posted by meyma
Yet another reason why I prefer that my INTERNET TABLET is not also my CELL PHONE. I would prefer to have my phone be always connected and serve as the conduit to connectivity.. and my computer can be isolated and offline until I connect it by choice. I like my Droid a lot--but I really preferred that the N900 was made without a radio so that it would, primarily, be MUCH cheaper.. but also intentionally and truly separate from my phone and let the phone always remain available.
As android you are member of the borg. There's no offline existence for a borg member at all.
Originally Posted by benny1967
And I agree with your sentiment entirely. However, that only works so far as a computing device goes and doesn't really work insofar as phones go. Sadly, combining the two has made the situation very dreadful. Especially if you're expected to hack and develop on what has now become a SMARTPHONE and minimizing its general computing nature.
Most of the time, my idealogical crusade for free software and such things makes my gadget-life more difficult for me than for most other people who just go and buy what's shiny and has animated icons.
This time, after actually reading through all this thread, it's to my advantage.
Instead of having to compare specs and market advantages between the models and platforms, I simply ask:
Are the open parts of the platform copyleft?
Android: very few (the kernel - and then some? I'm not even sure)
Maemo: most of what's not proprietary Nokia software in the first place
That's all I need to know. I stop reading there and ignore all other facts.
Besides, men @maemomarketing look a lot better than anyone I've seen in the Android camp. I prefer spending money on good looking people.
Life can be so easy...
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2010-01-07
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@ Twickenham, UK
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Originally Posted by x61
I really think none of you guys (i.e. the ones that thinks the there one OS that is better than the others) have realized what the N900 really represents in this world and how it stands compared to iPhone OS, Android OS and Palm Pre OS.
The N1 beats the N900 with phone capabilities. Maemo is way behind the android OS... though older by 2.5 years. We all hope the N900 catches up some day...
They are all OSes developed around a Unix OS with a "different" target in mind.
These targets overlap and people that don't know what they want, keep complaining about the shortcomings of a device and always sit and wait until someone makes the decision for them and when they actually make it, they get distracted by some nice little effect.
You do realize Maemo is to Linux what Ubuntu is to Linux ?
And that none of the other Unix-based OSes that we (finally!) see on other pocketable devices is THAT close to a desktop Unix OS?
I repeat: NONE of them is THAT close to a desktop Unix OS.
I you guys fail to see that, than you fail to understand what the N900 and Maemo really is and what potential it has.
We developers got it and many are getting this now.
This is what I tell my friends. Then I let them decide if that is what they are looking for.
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2010-01-07
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@ Twickenham, UK
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And please none of you read in that post what I am not saying. I am not saying that Maemo is the final answer.
I am saying that every OS has its own purpose and every device has its own target, no matter what the marketing says about it.
I am saying that every OS has its own purpose and every device has its own target, no matter what the marketing says about it.
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2010-01-07
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Originally Posted by danramos
Haha, yeah I had that issue for a while when I first got it.
Sadly, combining the two has made the situation very dreadful. Especially if you're expected to hack and develop on what has now become a SMARTPHONE and minimizing its general computing nature.
It was "wait if I rely on the N900 to make/receive a phone call I can't install completly random devel software since if it screws the tablet up when I'm out and about I'm screwed!"
But then a few days later I forgot about it and installed some random devel software.
Though I am more careful about what I install, which makes it harder to test apps, since sometimes it's the ones that make your device unstable that need the most testing.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2010-01-07
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
I wouldn't test when I'm out and about.. I test when I can test. I'd have no reservations of "bricking" my N900.. because it's only a flash away to back to normal.
Haha, yeah I had that issue for a while when I first got it.
It was "wait if I rely on the N900 to make/receive a phone call I can't install completly random devel software since if it screws the tablet up when I'm out and about I'm screwed!"
But then a few days later I forgot about it and installed some random devel software.
I'd install a single devel software, play with it, use it, test the phone.. if I'm good I'm good. Next time I have 15 mins.. I'll install another one. I do this already with my rooted android. Only once did it ever interfere with me actually being able to use the "phone"... I flashed a ROM that required a radio update before the radio update.. yay for boot hangs.
However, if it was really all that critical for me to get my phone back that instant.. the ability to flash the previous ROM was right there on the device ready for me.
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2010-01-07
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@ Vancouver Island, Canada
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Originally Posted by iamNarada
I think what makes it a tablet is that it spends most of time trying to be in landscape mode.
I must confess some confusion. What makes it more of a "tablet" than the N1 or the HD2 or the iphone? All of the other "phones" that I listed have larger screens (3.7, 4.3, 3.5 vs the n900's 3.5), and by most accounts are as adept at browsing the internet as the n900.
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Nokia N900, Lenovo Thinkpad T61p, Win7
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2010-01-07
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@ Greece
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Originally Posted by iamNarada
I believe you can't take into account the pre-N900 period. N770, N800 and N810 were not phones. They sold far less than phones and they never had always-on (gsm/3g) connectivity. So, all of them had very few users, developers, advertisement and potentials. They were also another kind of devices (Internet Tablets - Larger) that one had to carry along with a normal phone (read: not user-friendly).
Maemo's (May 2005) been around longer than Android ( November 2007) and we're still waiting for the software. The software development is in our/your hands. That is this platform's power and it's pitfall.
I believe that N770, N800 and N810 sold a lot more that any other similar product. Intel and Asus for example seem to have abandoned their ITs (or Mobile Internet Devices as the called them).
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2010-01-07
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@ Vancouver Island, Canada
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
I think market share will have the greatest influence on how many apps we get on the N900 because I don't think it is reasonable or fair to expect all the apps to be free indefinitely.
...Now, the fact that said desktop software is *not* available yet goes to the youngness of it. In Maemo 4 we had Gnumeric, Abiword, etc all ported. Which means I am using *exactly* the same software on my desk at home, as on my new "phone". This puts the N900 into a category of it's own....
There were a lot of really fine apps written for the PalmOS. I'm running 4 of them on my N900 in the Garnet VM. A lot of PalmOS developers (e.g. Llamagraphics, SplashData and Smallware to name only 3) have ported to iPhone for obvious reasons. But will they feel it worthwhile porting to Maemo 5? That will all depend on if Maemo 5 has sufficient market share. If the N900 is the only device running Maemo 5, then that could also be a limiting factor.
When you start to see N900 ads on TV, then I think you'll see many app developers taking notice and wanting to get on board.
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Nokia N900, Lenovo Thinkpad T61p, Win7
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2010-01-07
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@ Vancouver Island, Canada
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Originally Posted by iamNarada
Yup, I'm not interested in fart apps either (and IMHO there seem to be too many of them even for the N900, perhaps because they're easy to do? OK, they're fun too.)
...Is there ( I didn't see it) a list floating around of app essential to the user experience that Android/iphone (either or) have that the n900 does not have? I'm not interested in fart apps.
Anyway, to answer your question, there are two apps that the N900 is missing for me out of the box.
1. A good countdown timer. As much as my Sony Ericsson Z710i was a pathetic piece of crap in almost every feature, it did have a decent countdown timer that I used just about every day.
My workaround: install Garnet VM and download Toast Timer for PalmOS. Toast Timer is freeware and the source code is on sourceforge.net in case anyone would be interested in making a native Maemo 5 version.
2. Outlook synchronization. At first I thought Nokia PC Suite was working. But I learned that it deosn't always sync both ways to Outlook. I talked with Nokia N900 tech support and the official word is Outlook synchronization is not supported on the N900 at this time. It should be fixed by a firmware update this year.
My workaround? I don't know yet--I guess I just have to wait. I was actually about to order an HTC Touch Pro last September (with some confidence that Outlook would sync) when I saw the N900.
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Nokia N900, Lenovo Thinkpad T61p, Win7
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Nokia N900, Lenovo Thinkpad T61p, Win7
http://www.turningpointarts.com