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2010-01-08
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#42
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Originally Posted by OrangeBox
I find this (again here) to be relevant.
With Apache all you can do is PHP/CGI/Perl/maybe Python which all are Mickey Mouse technologies. With IIS, you can have .NET.
ETA:
You forgot Ruby/Ruby on Rails.
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2010-01-08
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#43
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Originally Posted by MrGrim
I felt that Nokia could've done better with this community. Maybe even do more than the 300 in circulation and provide them to the maemo.org members. Some for the people that develop apps, some for those that comment on bugs and find issues, and maybe a few devices to those that are just for day to day use testing with the goal of testing the device outside of Nokia. Maybe have them locked down for a while (not able to install apps) to see how they do vanilla. Then lift the lock and see what happens as applications are installed. Then after most of the issues are fixed, release it to the general public.
The n900 doesn't have mass appeal, and that can only hurt it. Reports of bugs also couldn't have helped. And i can't help thinking that at least part of this is because nokia bowed to the pressure of the hordes chanting "release! release! release!" a couple of months ago
Now, the damage is done as far as the n900 is concerned, but here's my advice to nokia for the next (maemo6?) device: don't rush it. Maybe give a vague "somewhere in 2011" to stop complaints about it being late (not giving prior announcement would be even better for development, but i'm sure sales will forbid that). Take your time to add polish and bling-bling. And advertise it like it's our saviour returneth. Sure it's unethical, but so is the competition
Hopefully that will draw enough attention to get mass adoption, which in turn will drive development and more mass adoption. Just remember: rushing a product out the gate is a sure way to kill it!
Masking the process wouldn't be helpful. For one, if you didn't involve any community developers you'd have a hard time getting the community apps built in time. In less than 3-4 months we already have how many apps in extras? testing? devel? If you didn't involve the part of the community that tests bugs and finds issues you wouldn't have as many reports and just find them when it's to late (IE: when the device is released).
No amount of bling bling and internal development time would do that.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2010-01-08
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Making your own chutney is right up there with jam and breadmaking as a very satisfying and smug way to spend an autumn afternoon. There is no mystery to be unravelled; it’s a simple process of cooking chopped autumn fruit with flavourings and spices, sugar and vinegar to make a rich chutney that will see you through for months.
And it’s the perfect recipe for using up windfalls – just don’t use bruised fruit. This recipe is quite forgiving and once you’ve got to grips with the formula, you can start to ‘play’ with the flavours. An all-apple chutney will work just as well, as will walnuts in place of pecans. In fact, pretty much any combination of vegetables or fruit will work. Spices, too, can be switched, as can the vinegar – a cider vinegar would complement an all-apple chutney beautifully.
But stick to the given weights and method. The sugar and vinegar are essential, too, for that quintessential sharp-sweet flavour and to preserve the chutney. If the jars have been sterilised correctly, they will keep in a cool dark space for more than a year.
Did you read that too? Good, that means I'm not the only one who wasted my time today......
And it’s the perfect recipe for using up windfalls – just don’t use bruised fruit. This recipe is quite forgiving and once you’ve got to grips with the formula, you can start to ‘play’ with the flavours. An all-apple chutney will work just as well, as will walnuts in place of pecans. In fact, pretty much any combination of vegetables or fruit will work. Spices, too, can be switched, as can the vinegar – a cider vinegar would complement an all-apple chutney beautifully.
But stick to the given weights and method. The sugar and vinegar are essential, too, for that quintessential sharp-sweet flavour and to preserve the chutney. If the jars have been sterilised correctly, they will keep in a cool dark space for more than a year.
Did you read that too? Good, that means I'm not the only one who wasted my time today......
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2010-01-08
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#45
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
Honestly.. I don't really think Nokia had much to do at all with this community..
I felt that Nokia could've done better with this community.
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2010-01-08
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#46
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I thought OrangeBox might have been just a bit slow and inflammatory, but now it's pretty obvious he's a troll.
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2010-01-08
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#47
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
Firefox has reached it's peak, at least until the Google contract ends. If it wasn't because of that contract, then MS couldn't care less about fighting against it as long as their search engine is used. Google has infinite pockets, and MS infinite user base. Can Mozilla really compete against both and continue to gain further shares?
Firefox continuously grows in the market share. And as is explained in that article, it's doubly impressive because IE comes with the most popular OS.
Which means a vast majority of the FIrefox market is actually taking away FROM the IE market. Users have to manually install and use that browser - and it's always on the rise.
As of FF:s growth, I'm hinting that MS would encourage OEM:s to use Firefox as a default browser if it'd have Bing as default search engine. MS knows that Google would jump in this game sooner or later, and with Mozilla's help they'd successfully have a chance to compete against them. Remember that the browser marked is a joke compared to the search engines' potential revenues.
Now, MS isn't able to deliver a nice browser, which leads to future Google domination (very bad for them). But MS has resources as well. And they know that it's Mozilla/Opera/Google/Apple vs them right now. And MS knows Bing will die as soon as IE does the same. Believe it or not, but MS can actually make decent products (like the moddable Xbox 1), and IE9 has most likely high priority right now - it might end up "good enough" for the people that find Windows 7 Home Premium being the same (aka 90%).
What I'm intending to say is that the "free" browsers (also depends on what you consider as "free" or open source or whatever) have reached their peaks (perhaps Opera can reach 5%, but nothing above that). MS will remain dominant due Windows monopoly (which is soon to be rivaled by Google) and hopefully better products, and it's only a question about time when Google will be #2 with their great products (no puns intended, they are simply great).
As for Mozilla, they should be very happy to stay above or anywhere near 20%, if they do that is. Look at Linux market shares, this might be FF:s future after unfair competition from both MS and El Goog.
Since this thread is off-topic anyway, this post quite belongs here.
By the way, I've used 3.6 beta since it was availible first day.
Last edited by c0rt3x; 2010-01-08 at 21:56.
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2010-01-08
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#48
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Originally Posted by OrangeBox
RE: .NET
With Apache all you can do is PHP/CGI/Perl/maybe Python which all are Mickey Mouse technologies. With IIS, you can have .NET.
Sounds like somebody drank the .NET kool-aid. I have programmed with .NET languages since 1.0 and personally I do like C# for some projects, but .NET is in no way the answer to online development.
RE: PHP/CGI/Perl/maybe Python which all are Mickey Mouse technologies.
Where have you been for the last 10 years? Saying Perl (including CGI) is a Mickey Mouse technology displays a gross misunderstanding of the perl language.
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2010-01-08
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#49
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Originally Posted by OrangeBox
Grow up and get to see the real world, outside of your sandbox. You will hardly find _big_ infrastructures running on Microsoft software. This is the ground where Linux, Apache & co get deployed.
The number of sites run on a web server platform doesn't make the web server platform any better.
Nobody runs commercial software on Apache.
And yes, I know lots of commercial software on Apache. You don't because you never look outside your sandbox.
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2010-01-08
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#50
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
They did try (e.g. invite developers and people to events, give them prototype N900s). But I felt they could've done alot better.
Honestly.. I don't really think Nokia had much to do at all with this community..
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
As far as enterprise implementation, the reason why bank, large companies, etc use ISS or something similar is that they can sue the crap out Microsoft if the system is compromised. In every large company/organization I have ever worked for, I have asked why they used commercial products such as ISS over open source and the answer has always been “to have somebody to hold liable when it all goes down.”