I bet that nokia service will reflash your fw then, just like with s60v4, s60v6 and any other nokia device. that is the best support one can give. and hella lot cheaper than dealing with apple iphone replacement devices.

The openness of maemo has more to do that it is a standard linux distro and not some sandbox environment like the others. And also by the fact that Nokia puts no restrictions on what you want to install, ever.
You don't have to go to some shady website and do voodoo magic to get root.
If it saves Nokia some headache by doing it as a third party package, legal or financial... I have no problem as long as they still allow me to do what ever I want with the phone on my responsibility.

Nokia CARE gets called on the craziest things, some valid, some... well, indicative of a need for extreme consumer education. I'm betting calls related to rootsh, though, would be a tiny, tiny percentage in the great sea of noise. The next question becomes, then, one of problem resolution...

Don't you guys want to lock up the noobs from installing packages that could brick their phones?

This is one big family where nokia ins the grandfather

No.. just don't want to make it seem easy .

Removing root != removing Red Pill.

Removing root == removing Apt or Dpkg

It actually removes functionality from the device. Removing Red Pill or other UI's to access command line information does not remove functionality of the device.. just makes it less easy.

I have no problem with less easy... make getting root involve an overly complex binary hex-editor, code-hackers wet dream to access if you want.. as long as everything you need.. is right on the device.

Depending on third-party utilities to get something as fundemental as root is a bad idea, IMHO.

I would love to have local deb installation back, but afaik, those were removed as asked by the community (so that content would be more centralized).

I wonder what "community" asked for the removal of this feature. It's funny that this "community" thinks that the way to make sure that content is more centralized is to force developers, rather than to make the central location more appealing to developers and packager. This "community" does not behave like usual free software communities do, rather like commercial companies (apple, archos, etc.)

No, the people IS and WILL be teached. See:

> "so good for u Im a begginer here so even dont know how to do that hehe"

>Just like kuriiri said earlier.
>Go to terminal
>sudo gainroot (you need rootsh to get to the root)
>apt-get install python-evolution (will install python evolution)


I can help. If not me then somebody will do it. Because it is the only way after red pill disabling in some cases.

The red pill disable means that Meamo community gave up any effort to establish a controlled package installation. Red pill may (MAY) at least keep logs... but it may do much more with good design.


No, they WILL be teached - see the top of my post.

Huh? How exactly are you, me, or even the super-god of computers going to help someone that has no root, and no way to install rootsh? The only solution at that point is reflash. That's it.. no other options. (Assuming the removal of Red Pill)

Also.. you frequently refer to teach to combat everyone else saying Learn..

1==1 here... You must be taught to learn.

So yes.. people will say "do this".. but many times the user will need even more information than that. See the thread that Kathy linked to, again as an example - several times it was said "it's in this", "it's in that".. and also the general "idea" of what needed to be done was in another thread.. but the OP needs Step by Step.

So in your example:

"sudo gainroot (you need rootsh to get root)"
User: "wait, what? Whats rootsh? where do I get it?"

Then the process goes through of teaching them how to get rootsh. Also, mostly, accompanied by a warning too. Same logic applies anywhere.. when people tell other people to do potentially harmful things they usually caveat it.. some users listen, others don't. The number of users willing to type commands is significantly less than the number of users willing to click GUI's.

That's why I am ok with losing GUI tools to do advanced work... what I'm not OK with is the loss of a functionality. Removing Red Pill at this point does remove 1 specific functionality in a very specific case - and it's a case that *has* happened, so it's not a hypothetical case either. The only question would remain is how *often* it would happen, and whether it's even worth worrying about.

I must have missed it, what functionality did removing Red Pill mode take away?