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2010-01-14
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My point was not that my Karma was low. It was that if 4 years of my posts and thanks and blogs here gives me 437, then 1 app should not be able to get 300 karma points unless it has been supported for 4 years. IMO
If your talking a simple port; then yes I would not expect something like my kernel-module-cifs to be worth 300 points even though a lot of people want it/use it. It was a couple days of works; it should be worth at least a couple dozen posts worth of credit & thanks.
1 hour of forum support = 1 hour development time = 1 hour wiki editing.
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2010-01-14
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First of all, I'm new here and know almost nothing about how karma currently works. What I know is pretty much based on reading this thread. Thus read my opinion for what it's worth or skip it.
Ultimate purpose of the system should be to maximize it's benefit to the community.
Most of the discussion seem to center around distributing the “stuff” from Nokia fairly. To me that still sounds like proximate argument. It might be nice to have a system that distributes loot in a way that doesn't cause conflict amongst the looters, but is it the best basis for system that helps Maemo most? Equal personal effort doesn't necessarily, or even likely, equate equal benefit to the community.
For example, this noob with handle “Rauha” has managed to collect 151 points of karma in few months. So he would already have 75% of karma required for that big N900 discount. He has voted on few brainstorms, made some post helping people with technical problems and so forth, but 90+% of his karma seems to come from witty comments and spamming the board about Nokia related news (just two examples, trust me there are plenty more of those). Now, he has spent relatively lot of time making those post and the effort might be roughly equal to, for example, developing simple desktop widget for N900. Yet, the community benefits from that widget vastly more than from those posts. By rewarding Rauha the community isn't ultimately looking out for it's own benefit, even if it's rewarding equal effort.
That is not even taking into account the schizophrenic nature of designing a fair rewarding system, which has the community controlling how the points are distributed and Nokia deciding how distributed points are rewarded. Nokia's ultimate motivation is always to to maximize profits for it's shareholders. So we have supposedly fair rewarding system that has the two different stages with different purposes and motivations. Those two might align in many case but not always.
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Basis of the the system should be the benefit to community, especially since our definition of fairness doesn't necessarily meet with rewarders definition of fairness.
Originally Posted by Texrat
That's a proximate purpose. RevdKathy and I are looking for ultimate purpose.
Ultimate purpose of the system should be to maximize it's benefit to the community.
Most of the discussion seem to center around distributing the “stuff” from Nokia fairly. To me that still sounds like proximate argument. It might be nice to have a system that distributes loot in a way that doesn't cause conflict amongst the looters, but is it the best basis for system that helps Maemo most? Equal personal effort doesn't necessarily, or even likely, equate equal benefit to the community.
For example, this noob with handle “Rauha” has managed to collect 151 points of karma in few months. So he would already have 75% of karma required for that big N900 discount. He has voted on few brainstorms, made some post helping people with technical problems and so forth, but 90+% of his karma seems to come from witty comments and spamming the board about Nokia related news (just two examples, trust me there are plenty more of those). Now, he has spent relatively lot of time making those post and the effort might be roughly equal to, for example, developing simple desktop widget for N900. Yet, the community benefits from that widget vastly more than from those posts. By rewarding Rauha the community isn't ultimately looking out for it's own benefit, even if it's rewarding equal effort.
That is not even taking into account the schizophrenic nature of designing a fair rewarding system, which has the community controlling how the points are distributed and Nokia deciding how distributed points are rewarded. Nokia's ultimate motivation is always to to maximize profits for it's shareholders. So we have supposedly fair rewarding system that has the two different stages with different purposes and motivations. Those two might align in many case but not always.
Short version:
Basis of the the system should be the benefit to community, especially since our definition of fairness doesn't necessarily meet with rewarders definition of fairness.
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2010-01-14
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Originally Posted by Rauha
It isn't simply an issue of "loot"-- trusted people who get devices early (and possibly free, which can help those like myself who can't afford to buy one) can provide critical input to the program teams to improve the product(s) prior to wide release. THAT benefits everyone... and it's important to get devices into the hands of people who have proven they will use the privilege wisely.
Most of the discussion seem to center around distributing the “stuff” from Nokia fairly. To me that still sounds like proximate argument. It might be nice to have a system that distributes loot in a way that doesn't cause conflict amongst the looters, but is it the best basis for system that helps Maemo most?
We'll ignore little incidents like usb connectors popping out.
Originally Posted by Rauha
So define the benefit(s). Are we back to ego boosting? Or is it all about loot?
Short version:
Basis of the the system should be the benefit to community, especially since our definition of fairness doesn't necessarily meet with rewarders definition of fairness.
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2010-01-14
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Originally Posted by benny1967
Strongly disagreed, mailing list posts trend pretty consistently towards a smaller amount of much higher-quality input. Talk trends towards multi-thousand post shipping threads. . . .
So from my POV, most of what we have is OK.
I agree with qole that some things that are more or less equal should be treated equally: Being part of a discussion is the same , no matter if it's on t.m.o., on the list or by writing comments for a news item.
Originally Posted by benny1967
An edit is an edit. End of story. How do you determine whether a 3-page article is all your own work or a copy-paste job?
OTOH, how are, say, wiki-edits counted? If I add one sentence to a paragraph, is it the same as if I write a 3 page article about secret gconf tweaks?
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2010-01-14
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Originally Posted by Texrat
I have a feeling the primary reason for most people is the loot. Personally I feel that Nokia should distribute (more) Maemo devices before they're released with an event amount to people who are known to report bugs, aren't afraid to tell Nokia where they did wrong, and to developers (because ultimately a device is pointless if there's no applications).
It isn't simply an issue of "loot"-- trusted people who get devices early (and possibly free, which can help those like myself who can't afford to buy one) can provide critical input to the program teams to improve the product(s) prior to wide release. THAT benefits everyone... and it's important to get devices into the hands of people who have proven they will use the privilege wisely.
We'll ignore little incidents like usb connectors popping out.
So define the benefit(s). Are we back to ego boosting? Or is it all about loot?
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2010-01-14
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
Out of interest, how many N900s do you think Nokia distributed like this?
Personally I feel that Nokia should distribute (more) Maemo devices before they're released with an event amount to people who are known to report bugs, aren't afraid to tell Nokia where they did wrong, and to developers (because ultimately a device is pointless if there's no applications).
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2010-01-14
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No idea. =P
I think they gave out 300 at the summit, but I think those people weren't just developers and active (bug reporting, critique, hardware stressing) members of the maemo.org community.
I think they gave out 300 at the summit, but I think those people weren't just developers and active (bug reporting, critique, hardware stressing) members of the maemo.org community.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2010-01-14
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
But that's not my point.
I have a feeling the primary reason for most people is the loot.
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2010-01-14
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
Well, here's a clue, there were two other (smaller, but not insignificantly) rounders of loaner distribution and a third about to get underway.
No idea. =P
I think they gave out 300 at the summit, but I think those people weren't just developers and active (bug reporting, critique, hardware stressing) members of the maemo.org community.
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I have said before and I will say again, "hacks" should not be in extras. Only polished software IMO.
My point was not that my Karma was low. It was that if 4 years of my posts and thanks and blogs here gives me 437, then 1 app should not be able to get 300 karma points unless it has been supported for 4 years. IMO
1 hour of forum support = 1 hour development time = 1 hour wiki editing.
Is not GeneralAntilles just as important to this community as Gnuite? This is rhetorical......
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