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2010-01-15 , 23:23
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Apparently, FARGUS stands for:
Fixed And Repaired Garaged Unreliable S***-cars
I'm not quite sure what the reason for person abuse is? I was merely continuing the theme started earlier for alternate menomics.

Now either you posted something you thought was humorous and failed or I believe an apology might be in order.
 
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2010-01-15 , 23:38
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Originally Posted by DaveP1 View Post
I'm not exactly clear how the "short-sightedness" of Nokia's competition allowed them to beat Nokia like a drum.
Should be self-obvious, but I'll explain as I have sooo many times here:

Nokia decided to focus on direct to retail since carriers had been afraid of full-featured cell phones, particularly smartphones. It was a gamble on consumers wising up and seeing that an open market based on unlocked, feature-rich phones was to their benefit. As Nokia lost shelf space with carriers, competitors like Motorola, LG, Samsung et al in their short-sightedness eagerly rushed in to gain that space. Consumers jumped on the "free" phones, largely choosing not to actually educate themselves on the reality.

Had Nokia's competitors thought more longterm, they would have joined with Nokia and begun chipping away en masse at the locked US market. Then again, that would have ultimately meant real competition.

Instead, they were sheep.

Oh, and I hope you don't think I'm misunderstanding the regulation aspect.
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2010-01-15 , 23:41
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#73
Originally Posted by Fargus View Post
I'm not quite sure what the reason for person abuse is? I was merely continuing the theme started earlier for alternate menomics.

Now either you posted something you thought was humorous and failed or I believe an apology might be in order.
Naw, wasn't personal abuse--I was just continuing your mnemonic theme. How was it abusive? You sounded like one of those grumpy garage mechanics that like to throw out those same mnemonics that you thought were so funny.
 
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Originally Posted by DaveP1 View Post
I don't think so. Take the following quote: "If the FCC and legislators did their damned jobs, we'd have an open market in the US and not be locked into this criminal mess."

The FCC gave the US a far more open market than the Europeans have. You can not only choose different phones with different features, you can choose different carrier technologies. If you think CDMA is a better technology than GSM, you can choose to go that way. You can choose 2, 2.5, 3, or 4G data networks depending on your phone, your location, and your carrier.

The FCC deliberately chose to allow this openness. But this openness has a price and that price is lack of interoperability.

Hopefully there will eventually be a voice equivalent of the Qualcomm Gobi chip (which supports EV-DO/EV-DO Rev. A 800MHz, 1900 MHz, HSDPA/HSUPA 800MHz, 850MHz, 900MHz, 1900MHz, 2100MHz, GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850MHz, 900MHz,1800MHz, 1900MHz all on one chip).
Bull. It's the exact opposite. Carving up spectrum and allowing virtual, often incompatible monopolies is NOT open by any definition of the word. Neither is allowing consumer-antagonistic policies the carriers depend on.
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2010-01-15 , 23:44
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Nokia decided to focus on direct to retail since carriers had been afraid of full-featured cell phones, particularly smartphones. It was a gamble on consumers wising up and seeing that an open market based on unlocked, feature-rich phones was to their benefit. As Nokia lost shelf space with carriers, competitors like Motorola, LG, Samsung et al in their short-sightedness eagerly rushed in to gain that space. Consumers jumped on the "free" phones, largely choosing not to actually educate themselves on the reality.
Why did this fail? I don't think it's because of "idiot" consumers. There are plenty of people interested in quality phones and willing to pay for it. Problem is, Nokia punished them for it with bad support, delayed US releases, and delayed or none-existant firmware updates.

It's not the consumer's fault that they didn't get it. Nokia clearly did get do a good job selling people on the idea and set about punishing those that did buy into it.

This isn't the fault of the competitors, the US carriers or the US government. This is Nokia's fault.
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Merge Nokia and /\/\otorola RIM (cell phone divisions) and they would own every market... Discuss.
Fixed for ya.
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Why did this fail? I don't think it's because of "idiot" consumers. There are plenty of people interested in quality phones and willing to pay for it. Problem is, Nokia punished them for it with bad support, delayed US releases, and delayed or none-existant firmware updates.

It's not the consumer's fault that they didn't get it. Nokia clearly did get do a good job selling people on the idea and set about punishing those that did buy into it.

This isn't the fault of the competitors, the US carriers or the US government. This is Nokia's fault.
Pish. Around and around we go. Only one way to prove any point, and that's if our market ever actually changed. If the US market ever matched Europe's and Nokia couldn't replicate its dominance here afterward, I'll cede to ya. Otherwise I still say root cause is our effed up market model. Again, I don't blame Nokia for not playing a coward's game, and disrespect every manufacturer who does.
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2010-01-15 , 23:51
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Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Naw, wasn't personal abuse--I was just continuing your mnemonic theme. How was it abusive? You sounded like one of those grumpy garage mechanics that like to throw out those same mnemonics that you thought were so funny.
Well you decided to put a derogatory statement based on my handle so I am supposed to take it how? The posts I replied to were directly mentioning plays on cars names and ending in another. Please don't make a habit of it.
 
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1. I think ppl here don't value power but ease of use and pretty colors.
2. Most don't even know what Linux is and couldn't care less.
3. T-mobile USA is not subsidizing the phone, which makes so expensive that many don't want to buy it.
4. The n900 is marketed as a tablet, not a phone.
1) Ease of use IS power. It's not about the hardware or software behind the scenes, it's about how long it takes a user to finish a task. If you aren't spending as much time on the UI as you are on the database design, you aren't developing it right.

2) I do know what Linux is and I couldn't care less. I care about what an can do for me, not for open source crusaders. I run Linux on one of my home machines because it's fast. I don't run it on my home gaming machine because it doesn't support my PC games. It was installed on my son's netbook because it's cheap. It wasn't installed on my UMPC because Windows pwns it when it comes to handwriting recognition. It is not and never will be a selling point. What it enables or doesn't enable is the selling point.

3) T-Mobile doesn't subsidize phones by themselves, the phone manufacturers also contribute to the subsidy. Nokia has chosen not to do so.

4) The N900 isn't marketed at all in the US. Their website declares "It's a phone. It's a computer." in that order. Start at Nokia's home and go to "Need help finding a phone" and there the N900 is in Nokia's top 10.
 
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Originally Posted by DaveP1 View Post
1) Ease of use IS power. It's not about the hardware or software behind the scenes, it's about how long it takes a user to finish a task.
Agreed... as well as how long it takes to actually start one.
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