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2010-01-18 , 02:52
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#51
Originally Posted by real_per View Post
From what I've seen and heard from Nokia before and after launch, Maemo was portrayed as this "next big thing" from Nokia, big the way things are run, it seems more like a garage project, runned by hobbyists...
Uh, hobbyists know enough to use mirrors. I bet of the top 500 distros on distrowatch 99% of them have mirrors. Don't dis hobbyist projects, they run much better than this! This isn't just an isolated weekend incident either, but going on for months, as indicated by this bug:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5818

For my part, I got my N900 at the beginning of December and there have been continuous outages since then, often extended due to weekends or holidays. This boggles my mind too. It's run very very poorly. I've never seen it so bad in any project, hobbbyist or professional.
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2010-01-18 , 02:53
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#52
Originally Posted by jebba View Post
The espejo.freemoe.org mirrors are just Maemo 5. I'm not aware of other mirrors.
Well, I thank you for those that benefit from those mirrors. This is exactly what makes this community great. It would be great if we could have a contingency plan in place going forward, but I don't think I could be of much help in doing so unfortunately.
 
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2010-01-18 , 02:57
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#53
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
It's not Akamai that's down, it's the (Finnish?) ISP that hosts the primary machines for maemo.org.
Ah, well they should be fired and servers moved immediately, if the above story about just getting the help desk and all that is true.
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2010-01-18 , 02:59
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#54
Originally Posted by real_per View Post
Is this a hobby project, for people to be messing around with, or it this supposed to be a serious work device, that the £500 price tag suggests ?
Both, IMO. It's quite capable of that,

I have to say that i completely boggles the mind, that the main App store, for Nokias newly introduced big mobile OS is allowed to be down for a whole weekend
To be fair, the Ovi store is still up. What's down are all the community repositories that the Application Manager waves its hands and sends you on your merry way.

it seems more like a garage project, runned by hobbyists... But for someone who bought into Nokias marketing, this just feels like another big slap in the face.
Maemo has always been, and hopefully always will be, a project that takes the user community into consideration more than any other. Instead of being given a device and told "You can do X, Y, and Z" and to do more you have to perform contortions (jailbreaking/rooting,) we have a device that's totally open from the get-go. I can tolerate a weekend of downtime if that's what it takes to ramp up the community available resources to handle all the users.

... I'd also pitch a fit at the ISP, and work on getting some good mirrors going like Jebba suggested. If my upstream were better than Comcast provided, I'd host one.
 
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2010-01-18 , 03:02
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#55
Not to discredit any of the points made, but this is essentially a community-run service. Granted, there are some bigger players that have much more control over decisions and actions such as the ones that led us to this, and I certainly feel for anyone who has dealt with this already on their N900, as it is so new. I have been running maemo since shortly after the release of the 770, and there have been a few problems, but overall, I have been amazed at what both maemo.org, and the community continue to pull off.

This is not apple, and I love that. Nokia makes great devices, and with the tablets, they have thrown the reins openly to the community.

Have faith, repos will be back, and better than ever.
 
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2010-01-18 , 03:03
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#56
If my DataCenter had an outage like this: We would all be layed off.
That said...I just lost power at my home for almost three hours.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming
 
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2010-01-18 , 03:07
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#57
Originally Posted by tekojo View Post
Just got off the phone with the ISP help desk. The fix goes to tomorrow morning.
Until that repositories and mailing lists are down due to a completely dead NFS mount.
Can I ask why we have the maemo servers at some two-bit host, that doesn't appear to have a clue at what they are doing?

The host I host my three dedicated machines at -- has people at all their facilities 24/7. Multiple redundant power & internet connections -- so if one set goes down the center is still fully functional. My "down" time for the last few years has been only pretty much because of my own stupidity. ;-)

I can get them to not only to just physically "reboot" my servers at any point-- but to do technical work at any time at night and weekends.

Their is no reason why these machines should be still down at a decently classed host.

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2010-01-18 , 03:09
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#58
Originally Posted by jebba View Post
The espejo.freemoe.org mirrors are just Maemo 5. I'm not aware of other mirrors.
the mirrors above worked for me the other day, havent tried lately

i found everything on there....
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2010-01-18 , 03:29
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Yeah, really stange how it cannot be fixed over the weekend for such a major outage. I support clustering application servers with the biggest of companies and it's either "bring it up now" or "work non-stop till it's up". Ah well, I'm glad there are mirrors and that we can still install .deb files directly if need be. =)
 

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2010-01-18 , 03:56
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#60
Originally Posted by jebba View Post
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This makes no sense as they are all fed from the same servers. Extras-devel is simply another directory on the server. It's not a separate server. Anyway, all three servers are pushing .debs, you can see the (rough) stats here:
http://mas.freemoe.org/cgi-bin/anlgform.cgi
http://masymas.freemoe.org/cgi-bin/anlgform.cgi
http://masymasymas.freemoe.org/cgi-bin/anlgform.cgi
i disabled all the mirrors cept for devel and only got access to two apps the i dsabled devel and enabled the other two and got access to alot more
 
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