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Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
I can feel the sarcasm.. but I actually totally agree with this. Because it will help you learn.
What tends to help people learn is other people actually helping them out by explaining a thing or two. Otherwise you just alienate people, presumably not a good thing.
 
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But what really takes the cake is that in other contexts those same directories can have different names, like the MyDocs directory is .documents, depending literally on how you look at it!

But this is just like a store that has a confusing layout, so it's hard to find Rice Krispies at first. Once you know, you know.
 
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Originally Posted by vl_oka View Post
What tends to help people learn is other people actually helping them out by explaining a thing or two. Otherwise you just alienate people, presumably not a good thing.
Perhaps.. sometimes I'm verbose.. sometimes I'm not. In this case.. I gave the commands the user needs to accomplish his task - finding out what the "find" command does is not that difficult.

I don't feel as if I've alienated anybody. I gave him/her a perfect starting point to figuring out what they need to do. Unfortunately, I don't know where they saved the file to - so cannot just give them the path.

Your previous description about the file structure was great, and I'm sure the OP will find it useful and was a good idea.
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But what really takes the cake is that in other contexts those same directories can have different names, like the MyDocs directory is .documents, depending literally on how you look at it!
Really? (a genuine question)

I always found that .documents "translates" to Documents, and "MyDocs" is just root for the lot (Images, Documents, Camera, ...)
 
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
Perhaps.. sometimes I'm verbose.. sometimes I'm not. In this case.. I gave the commands the user needs to accomplish his task - finding out what the "find" command does is not that difficult.
Apologies. Missed your earlier post with the commands. Mea culpa...
 
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
I can feel the sarcasm.. but I actually totally agree with this. Because it will help you learn.
Learn what? Everybody who has an N900 should now know linux by heart and memorize words that make no sense for "normal" people?

Or should those who "ahem" actually have "other" jobs than linux and are not willing to allocate time to dpkg be left in the fog and depend on "repositories" and a constant internet connection, that both happen to go down from time to time?

I never really got what you guys hoped to achieve with that stupid terminal commands anyway - converting people, is that it? Making them "understand" the great power of the blinking cursor?
It's getting late and if installing a deb would mean clicking it I'd do it, but frankly it's kinda late here and typing stuff isn't my thing @ 1AM.

"Linux - constraining and alienating normal users since... forever."
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*sigh*...

Whatever you say Bec.
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@Bec
It's sad when a chip on one's shoulder prevents one from seeing the tree, let alone the wood...

Otherwise, I agree with fatalsaint
 

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Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
*sigh*...
Yes I am a narrow-minded UI lover just don't consider me one of those "fancy UI lovers", my XP still looks like Win 95
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Yes I am a narrow-minded UI lover just don't consider me one of those "fancy UI lovers", my XP still looks like Win 95
It's not that.. it's just that you appear to be missing the point completely.

Stand-alone deb files are extremely dangerous. They can, and sometimes do, cause real problems with devices and systems. The only time you should be installing a deb file by hand is if you are troubleshooting/testing/developing. If you are doing any of those three things then yes.. you had better have a handle on your device and it's components.

Even if you "have a life", as you so eloquently elude to, you still should know exactly what you're doing, what it's doing when you do it, and if you really need to do it - before doing it.

By removing your fancy GUI.. it has forced people to learn this.. because it forces them into the command line. In my opinion, this is not a bad thing. As RevdKathy so greatly said once... I would appreciate my surgeon to use both hands and be focused when operating on me, I'm sure your N900 feels the same way.

A fanciful GUI to turn your $550 device into a paper-weight should not be missed..

ETA: And this will be the end of me arguing that... this discussion has been had many times, in many places. Those that agree with me agree, those that don't dont.. and at this point that isn't changing any time soon.
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