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2010-01-28
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DRM... http://defectivebydesign.org/ipad
capacitive touch screen... at least on a tablet I want to write some things down with a PDA-pen...
nice device... but other OS and some other features would make it useful as well
for its use-case Apple thinks of I personally would chose another device combination, for example N900 + Kindle or something...
capacitive touch screen... at least on a tablet I want to write some things down with a PDA-pen...
nice device... but other OS and some other features would make it useful as well
for its use-case Apple thinks of I personally would chose another device combination, for example N900 + Kindle or something...
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2010-01-28
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Originally Posted by chemist
I'd vote for the option that apple would sell separate iPad screens plus huge batteries(packed to excess space left from electronics) fully compatible to N900's tv-out
for example N900 + Kindle or something...
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2010-01-28
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Originally Posted by ossipena
Oh right, that was your point, that we're 4 out of 5 steps of the way in, with 3 OS rewrites behind us and a fourth to come with a new and completely different UI? Yes, this Maemo lark is all going absolutely swimmingly!
(hint: look at the big picture and try to figure out what 5 steps are about)
Any surprise then, that the "big picture" is one of ordinary end users (and even developers) avoiding Maemo while it remains in a constant state of development flux, with few credible apps (Maemo has a few hundred after FIVE years, Android 20,000+ after 2 years and iPhone 100,000 after 3 years - work it out).
I guess you think it's all going to come together in step 5? Well, maybe it will, I hope it does, but step 4 should be a damned site closer to "complete" than it is right now if that is going to happen.
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Don't run away, stand your ground.
I knew it, there is no point going further.
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I'd like to offer another point of view into this. iPad looks like a great device for consuming content but the problem is that the key content it currently offers is mostly relevant only in the US.
Now if you're an American, imagine that Apple is Finnish and has some great announcements for you..
"We have great new content, eBooks. We have deals in place with the five biggest publishers, Sanoma WSOY, Otava, Tammi, Gummerus and Edita! All the books will be in Finnish in ePub format."
"A great new way to complement TV sports, you can now see live stats of SM-Liiga, the Finnish hockey league in real time as you watch it on TV!"
"We have also made a deal with the newspaper Helsingin Sanomat, they now have a specialised version for the device with all kinds of cool content!"
Still interested?
The list goes on and on, magazines, movies, tv-series, music etc. The content is more or less local and Apple is much more relevant in the US. Europe is also a much harder nut to crack because it's a lot more diverse than the US. Apple would have to do these deals in 50 individual countries to offer the same value proposition in Europe it is now offering in the US.
Now if you're an American, imagine that Apple is Finnish and has some great announcements for you..
"We have great new content, eBooks. We have deals in place with the five biggest publishers, Sanoma WSOY, Otava, Tammi, Gummerus and Edita! All the books will be in Finnish in ePub format."
"A great new way to complement TV sports, you can now see live stats of SM-Liiga, the Finnish hockey league in real time as you watch it on TV!"
"We have also made a deal with the newspaper Helsingin Sanomat, they now have a specialised version for the device with all kinds of cool content!"
Still interested?
The list goes on and on, magazines, movies, tv-series, music etc. The content is more or less local and Apple is much more relevant in the US. Europe is also a much harder nut to crack because it's a lot more diverse than the US. Apple would have to do these deals in 50 individual countries to offer the same value proposition in Europe it is now offering in the US.
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2010-01-28
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Originally Posted by Milhouse
are you acting stupid?
Oh right, that was your point, that we're 4 out of 5 steps of the way in, with 3 OS rewrites behind us and a fourth to come with a new and completely different UI? Yes, this Maemo lark is all going absolutely swimmingly!
Originally Posted by Milhouse
three words: Qt 4.6. I quess it is game over for your arguments?
Any surprise then, that the "big picture" is one of ordinary end users (and even developers) avoiding Maemo while it remains in a constant state of development flux, with few credible apps (Maemo has a few hundred after FIVE years, Android 20,000+ after 2 years and iPhone 100,000 after 3 years - work it out).
I guess you think it's all going to come together in step 5? Well, maybe it will, I hope it does, but step 4 should be a damned site closer to "complete" than it is right now if that is going to happen.
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Originally Posted by ossipena
Trust me, the only thing Nokia and Maemo has going for it is it's open-ness - if Apple mobile devices didn't have all the restrictions we know them to have I'm pretty sure most of us wouldn't be here and would instead be all over Apple products like a rash. Same with Android, although to a lesser extent.
I don't think that you seem to get what I was saying.
If you really have done your share of waiting, then just bail out. That shouldn't be so hard, all that is required is not to buy any Maemo devices anymore.
Of course this is unfortunate but one (big corporation) can't please everyone. Nokia has its own plans and if you don't like what they're doing you have 2 choices: spent your money anyway and be miserable or don't spend money and be happier.
The one trick Nokia has up it's sleeve is the open platform it is pushing, we want that to succeed so much - no really, we do - that over the last 5 years we've overlooked the poor out-of-box experience, under developed stock applications and complete lack of services. After 5 years, and with only an improved out-of-box experience to really speak of, is it too much for you to understand that some of us are coming to the end of our tether?
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Originally Posted by ossipena
Hmmm... why the hostility?
are you acting stupid?
Originally Posted by ossipena
That looks like two letters and a number, but never mind.
three words: Qt 4.6.
Originally Posted by ossipena
Why? Do you think that magically thousands of Qt apps will appear for a brand new never before seen UI? Who is going to be developing all of these apps, the handful of long in the tooth developers we are blessed with in this community? Dream on!
I quess it is game over for your arguments?
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2010-01-28
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Originally Posted by Milhouse
yes, as I have already stated in this thread, I understand.
Trust me, the only thing Nokia and Maemo has going for it is it's open-ness - if Apple mobile devices didn't have all the restrictions we know them to have I'm pretty sure most of us wouldn't be here and would instead be all over Apple products like a rash. Same with Android, although to a lesser extent.
The one trick Nokia has up it's sleeve is the open platform it is pushing, we want that to succeed so much - no really, we do - that over the last 5 years we've overlooked the poor out-of-box experience, under developed stock applications and complete lack of services. After 5 years, and with only an improved out-of-box experience to really speak of, is it too much for you to understand that some of us are coming to the end of our tether?
Nokias services have been totally zero until they woke up recently. Under-development is probably because lack of workforce working with Maemo. And there are very logical arguments to all of those if one knows Nokias history. Still it is gigantic ship and it cant turn 180DEG as fast as I do with my rowing boat. It's a bit paradox: small companies don't have resources to do it and big companies lack the reaction speed.
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Originally Posted by Milhouse
nope, those will appear partly when Symbian development goes to Qt, partly if Maemo -platform grows up and last but not least, gtk stuff ported from Maemo5.
Why? Do you think that magically thousands of Qt apps will appear for a brand new never before seen UI? Who is going to be developing all of these apps, the handful of long in the tooth developers we are blessed with in this community? Dream on!
e: plus of course apps developed for maemo5, there are already many Qt-developed apps at testing etc
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Last edited by ossipena; 2010-01-28 at 11:35.
But imagine what it would be for people who are afraid of computers. It's a computer that is as easy to use as an iPhone, and the iPhone has a reputation for being easy. So Apple is using the iPhone reputation to bring a computer to the masses, that would otherwise not even consider getting a netbook. And guess what, these people don't care about DRM. They are the big cash cow for Apple and the content industry. No offense to the computer-illiterate people, but they will happily buy anything DRM without even considering googling for a free or cheaper alternative.
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