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2010-02-17
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#72
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Originally Posted by Tesno
Because RPM based commercial distributions didn't have problems, I think.
What reasons did Intel have, when they decided to use fedora base instead of debian?
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2010-02-17
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#73
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Originally Posted by ruskie
I like Slackware too but I think it is impossible to have a source-based distribution for phone devices yet. And slapt-get is a yesterday (as apt-get, actually). If you have experience to live with YaST2 level of service it is VERY difficult to return back to outdated (although powerful) apt-get.
I'm really feeling split on this. I'm no big fan of either systems. For me the ideal binary based system has always been slackware.
Of course, HAM interface is a little better but buggy and not so powerful...
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2010-02-17
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#74
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Originally Posted by Tesno
Not sure, but I've always mostly associated rpms with commercial oriented distros and debs with community oriented distros. At least that was the way it seemed to me when I gave up on Mandrake (now Mandriva) almost ten years ago.
What reasons did Intel have, when they decided to use fedora base instead of debian?
The difference, at least as I see it, is commercial distros want to officially support the least amount of packages they can get away with so their users are forced to look to outside repositories a lot more often than the users
of the more centralized community distros such as Debian.
Nowadays I prefer to deal with dependencies myself and use Gentoo which streamlines the process.
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2010-02-17
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Originally Posted by egoshin
Technically not. Practically yes. A way to do this would be to have a build server/service that would do the crosscompile for you.
I like Slackware too but I think it is impossible to have a source-based distribution for phone devices yet.
And slapt-get is a yesterday (as apt-get, actually). If you have experience to live with YaST2 level of service it is VERY difficult to return back to outdated (although powerful) apt-get.
apt/dpkg/slapt hasn't broken on me yet thus far. Yast... installed a new system, ran yast once... could never run it again and kept getting weild errors.
Of course, HAM interface is a little better but buggy and not so powerful...
HAM is the one piece of software that should be COMPLETLY removed. It brings nothing to the table. Replace it with a normal apt frontend. Then we are talking.
And the whole point of my previous post was:
I hope that we will get a fully Free and Open software stack we can build/install/run in any way we want and any way we care to package etc it... That will be true progress. Everything else is just: "Ow we have a new shiny for you"
If I want it I should be able to run the device using a slackware like approach or a source mage like approach or any other distro I might care for. I shoud be able to get to a plain console and do what I want there. And so on.
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2010-02-17
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#76
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Originally Posted by daperl
no, no, no : http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build
In the meantime, everybody can brush-up on their OBS Debian packaging skills.
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2010-02-17
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#77
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Originally Posted by Tesno
well...
What reasons did Intel have, when they decided to use fedora base instead of debian?
Hohndel was quoted as saying that the move to Fedora was largely a "technical decision based on the desire to adopt RPM (Red Hat Package Manager) for package management" instead of Ubuntu's Debian DEB extension. RPM offers the advantage of containing license information, Hohndel was said to have noted, thereby enabling developers to create collections of software by license type or exclude software by license type.
According to The Register,, the switch to Fedora is also occurring because Moblin has "failed to generate much interest" among developers. "Moblin one wasn't successful in creating this community push," Hohndel was quoted as saying. "Having a vibrant community push is the winning factor."
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2010-02-17
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It still does not explain much. We already have a bunch of custom package fields, license could be just another. Even now, the Application manager uses these package fields to determine which packages are shown to the user and which aren't.
On the second quote, community and OSS devs is exactly what Maemo brings to the table. It's completely unclear what community MeeGo's RPM switch wants to cater to here ? I'm not exactly sure Moblin has more community devs than Maemo does.
On the second quote, community and OSS devs is exactly what Maemo brings to the table. It's completely unclear what community MeeGo's RPM switch wants to cater to here ? I'm not exactly sure Moblin has more community devs than Maemo does.
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2010-02-17
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#79
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Originally Posted by ColdFusion
and:
well...
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2068665492.html
http://iquaid.org/2008/07/25/a-word-...in-and-fedora/
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2010-02-17
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#80
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I call it MeEgo as someone already said it a while ago.
It just fits it perfectly.
It just fits it perfectly.
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Frankly what I would love to see is more community distros for such devices. So if MeeGo will open it all up so that anyone will be able to grab the sources and roll their own any way they please then please please do so.
Let it be completly and fully open then we actually don't have to worry what one is using.
I'm not really happy with the way Maemo runs and I never really could understand Debian or Fedora or Suse(and how many probs I've had with Yast is just to damn weird).
I used to run Slackware until I switched to Source Mage and became a Source Mage dev.
But I started with RH3-something, Caldera, never could get Debian installed back then, Mandrake, a few others(and BSDs) but ended up with Slackware.
So I've experienced a few things. Slackware now-a-days with slapt-get is actually nice. And I thought one could use apt-get with rpm now-a-days? Wasn't there some work on that???
As said at the start my main hope for this is an ability to roll a completly own distro so if someone wants to they could run gentoo or slackware on it with the sources for the relevant packages and not have to rely on any specific vendor provided packges.
For any repos or anything else I might have working on my N900 see:
http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie
A quick list of what I have in the repos
zsh|xmms2|fcron|gtar|gcoreutils