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2007-06-24 , 11:41
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Originally Posted by testerj View Post
Well good for you... go join the fanboy club... I haven't found any application thats bug free... when sending emails it doesn't know when to properly capatilize things.. the touch screen works ok some times.. then others it doesn't...

If you think it's a finished product great, maybe I should become a salesperson so I can sell you some bird poop and tell you it's a 3 course meal
Never said it was a finished product I said it did what I wanted it to do for me, with no problems.
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2007-06-24 , 13:22
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It's funny how people expect a $350 device (N800) to be all end all device. My brother just bought new GPS for his car, paid $500+ and it doesn't even play music. My GPS has bigger screen, and I can do a lot more on it and I paid $550 (N800+Navicore).

I'd say sure, as a pub conversation, the iPhone and N800 are comparable, but just the price difference (price of the iPhone + 2 year contract) puts these two devices in two different categories.

At least in US people have gotten used to paying little or nothing for their phone. Even with all the shinny icons, It's going to be a hard sell for Apple to get _masses_ to buy into it. Sure there will be following, and yes it will be bigger then the one N800 has, but iPhone is not going to take over the world. The only way this could happen is for Apple to offer it for $99 plus 2yr contract. Thats how Motorola did it with RAZR. Thats how we buy our phones in the US. And yes, there are people who can buy N95 for $800 (I wish I was one of them) but they are the tiny minority.
 
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2007-06-24 , 13:45
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Originally Posted by nedim View Post
It's funny how people expect a $350 device (N800) to be all end all device. My brother just bought new GPS for his car, paid $500+ and it doesn't even play music. My GPS has bigger screen, and I can do a lot more on it and I paid $550 (N800+Navicore).

I'd say sure, as a pub conversation, the iPhone and N800 are comparable, but just the price difference (price of the iPhone + 2 year contract) puts these two devices in two different categories.

At least in US people have gotten used to paying little or nothing for their phone. Even with all the shinny icons, It's going to be a hard sell for Apple to get _masses_ to buy into it. Sure there will be following, and yes it will be bigger then the one N800 has, but iPhone is not going to take over the world. The only way this could happen is for Apple to offer it for $99 plus 2yr contract. Thats how Motorola did it with RAZR. Thats how we buy our phones in the US. And yes, there are people who can buy N95 for $800 (I wish I was one of them) but they are the tiny minority.
Hmmmm...... Considering Apple is selling a boat load of iPods pretty much the same way the are selling the iPhone, I would say that your supposition is way off. To compare an iPhone to an N800 is once again proof (in my opinion) that the US is immature when it comes to moblie telephony. The RAZR was a big hit with women who wanted a small compact, colorful device that did not do very much and had rudimentary features that were already prevalent in European and Japanese handsets. The iPhone will sell based on hype, ease of use, feature sets, and a reliability factor (this has not been proven yet but considering the failure rates of other devices, the iPhone should hold up well), integration with iTunes. People forget that the killer app that made the iPod was iTunes. With seamless integration and a duplicated ease of use, the iPhone will be viewed as an extension to those that have an iPod but want to have a phone with them as well as a device for the MASS CONSUMER MARKET which the N800 is not nor ever will be.
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2007-06-24 , 14:40
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Originally Posted by Rider View Post
Before you become a salesperson, you had better grow up first and learn how to talk with adult people.
Well it was clearly a joke... except for the "alpha" part, I stand by my words there...

I don't mind responding in an adult manner as long as my comments are responded to accordingly, if someone speaks to me like a child I have every right to respond that way to... Really I may not respect the status of the N800, it simply does what I purchased it for but I expected it to be in a more Finished state, it's not against the programmers or anything they make my life alot better, it is in fact my problem with Nokia not spending enough time and probably money to support the programmers in making this an effective device, are they really supporting you open source people as much as it looks? cause it doesn't seem that way...
 
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2007-06-24 , 15:29
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Originally Posted by sapporobaby View Post
Hmmmm...... Considering Apple is selling a boat load of iPods pretty much the same way the are selling the iPhone, I would say that your supposition is way off. To compare an iPhone to an N800 is once again proof (in my opinion) that the US is immature when it comes to moblie telephony. The RAZR was a big hit with women who wanted a small compact, colorful device that did not do very much and had rudimentary features that were already prevalent in European and Japanese handsets. The iPhone will sell based on hype, ease of use, feature sets, and a reliability factor (this has not been proven yet but considering the failure rates of other devices, the iPhone should hold up well), integration with iTunes. People forget that the killer app that made the iPod was iTunes. With seamless integration and a duplicated ease of use, the iPhone will be viewed as an extension to those that have an iPod but want to have a phone with them as well as a device for the MASS CONSUMER MARKET which the N800 is not nor ever will be.
I don't think so. Cell phone industry today is different then mp3 player industry was when iPod came. There is abundance of cheap/free phones that already do a lot of what iPhone does. Granted not as shiny as iPhone. But my BB Pearl was free! And it has all the features I need in a phone, email, web, chat, news, stocks, weather, games, music, video...

Again, yes, Apple will sell iPhones, no it will not take over the world. There is a big difference between the two. Apple groupies would like us to believe the latter. I don't buy it. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't too.
 
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2007-06-24 , 15:41
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You're kidding yourself if you don't think nokia wants this to be a consumer device.
 
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2007-06-24 , 16:15
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You are kidding yourself if you think it is.
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2007-06-24 , 17:48
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I didn't say _I_ think its a consumer device. I said Nokia wants this to be a consumer device.

A cross-over device like the iPhone will eliminate Nokia's target market.

If your iPhone is sitting on the coffee table in front of you, and it can visit the same sites just as well, then you wouldn't think of purchasing an N800.

You have to assume the iPhone is just the beginning. If it reaches critical mass and we're all walking around with browsers in our pocket for $299, who is going to want an N800?

Someone will just write web applications to provide the geek stuff like ssh, vnc, etc...
 
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2007-06-24 , 18:22
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Originally Posted by sherifnix View Post
I didn't say _I_ think its a consumer device. I said Nokia wants this to be a consumer device.

A cross-over device like the iPhone will eliminate Nokia's target market.

If your iPhone is sitting on the coffee table in front of you, and it can visit the same sites just as well, then you wouldn't think of purchasing an N800.

You have to assume the iPhone is just the beginning. If it reaches critical mass and we're all walking around with browsers in our pocket for $299, who is going to want an N800?

Someone will just write web applications to provide the geek stuff like ssh, vnc, etc...
My misunderstanding, but you are 100000000% correct. The N800's days are numbered if the iPhone gets any traction.
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2007-06-24 , 19:08
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If your iPhone is sitting on the coffee table in front of you, and it can visit the same sites just as well, then you wouldn't think of purchasing an N800.
I wouldn't think I would do any serious surfing with an iphone, 480x320 is just ridiculous.

Basically, this is still a phone with a music player - not much more.
 
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