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2010-02-19
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#32
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
We would try it the other way around: Take a working Maemo5, and replace the free components (for example, libc, libgcc, Gtk, dpkg, ...) step by step until it breaks the closed components. Most libraries should be binary backwards compatible. If they are not, we keep an older and the new version and fix the rpath for the proprietary binaries.
Long story short: We tried to take Debian, shape it into mobile usage without tearing apart the base system. Result: Deblet, Horrid battery usage, horrid user interface and incompatibility with Maemo GTK+/Hildon applications.
We decided Maemo had a reason to be like it was, and then Mer was born.
We would also cleanly repackage the closed components so that don't cause conflicts or missing dependencies for apt-get.
Additionally, we add essential Debian packages (debconf, ucf etc) so that standard Debian packages can be installed.
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2010-02-19
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#33
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Unfortunately "running on ARM" does not imply "optimized for a mobile ARM device".
Originally Posted by mankir
Seems to be an active thread, so have a look at: http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/02/the-n...buntu-devices/
Summary: Ubuntu 10.04 Netbook Remix will have ARM support! I'm looking forward to boot into it...
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2010-02-19
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#34
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Originally Posted by qole
ok, thanks. We could also consider working with sid as we could then send possible changes directly to upstream.
My experience is that Debian Lenny packages seem more compatible with their Maemo counterparts, such as gconf and pulseaudio. You'll have a better chance at success if you start with Lenny and selectively upgrade to Squeeze until something breaks...
But it's probably more sensible to start with something that works and with which we could collaborate with EasyDebian.
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2010-02-19
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#35
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fully agreed.
I don't want to waste time and energy trying to convince "them" to 1. use some upstream 2. that this upstream should be Debian. Even if we succeed in convincing them, we as N900 users would most likely not benefit from it, anyway.
So let's how see how far we can go with our plans as we would directly and immediately benefit from our work. Maybe "they" will like the results so much that they change their mind, but that's not the main goal.
I don't want to waste time and energy trying to convince "them" to 1. use some upstream 2. that this upstream should be Debian. Even if we succeed in convincing them, we as N900 users would most likely not benefit from it, anyway.
So let's how see how far we can go with our plans as we would directly and immediately benefit from our work. Maybe "they" will like the results so much that they change their mind, but that's not the main goal.
Originally Posted by yoush
I doubt MeeGo will accept contribution in making it deb-based and having debian main repositories as primary package source. And that is exactly what I see as a goal of this project.
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2010-02-19
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Originally Posted by yoush
Official Debian packages are build on Debian's buildd network for all supported architectures. For custom repositories, I would advise everyone to compile on real ARM machines using sbuild; but scratchbox2 or emdebian tools could be used to cross-compile instead.
Also, what about toolchain?
We have a choice at least between emdebian toolchains, maemo's scratchbox-based environment, and native compilation (perhaps on some fast arm system running debian).
I have yet to contact the current maintainers of Moblin and Maemo related packages in Debian to see how the packaging should be coordinated.
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2010-02-19
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Originally Posted by yoush
MeeGo is a registered trademark of the Linux Foundation and trademarks should be avoided whenever possible. But we'll see what happens.
Also, it looks for me that "Debian Mobile" is a bit unfair name for this project. There are other debian- or debian-based mobile related projects. Emdebian, pkg-fso, hackable:1 to name some.
Perhaps we should be a bit modest, and get a more specific name. Maybe Debian Meego.
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2010-02-19
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#38
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Originally Posted by yoush
That's right.
I still see this project mainly as re-packaging effort, with small modifications only if/when really required.
If this will succeed, I hope this project will provide whatever software written for Meego in form of debs, installable on "MeeGo devices running debian" as well as on whatever else running Debian.
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2010-02-19
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Originally Posted by jak
we could ask them for permission to officially use Debian/MeeGo or Debian MeeGo/GNU/Linux
MeeGo is a registered trademark of the Linux Foundation and trademarks should be avoided whenever possible. But we'll see what happens.
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2010-02-19
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#40
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Originally Posted by blachner
Then those users have hundreds of other phones they can buy. I see no reason to copy those finger-licking goodlooking phones without terminals. The full featured and rootable terminal is by far the #1 reason why I bought this phone. I would have bought it even without a touch screen. Can we please keep at least one phone on the market with a full featured rootable terminal? Please?
Most of the users that are not geeks, are also not interested in a terminal on their device. They want special applications which works well with finger operation or at small screens on netbooks.
I still see this project mainly as re-packaging effort, with small modifications only if/when really required.
If this will succeed, I hope this project will provide whatever software written for Meego in form of debs, installable on "MeeGo devices running debian" as well as on whatever else running Debian.