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2010-02-21 , 13:35
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#81
Originally Posted by mlb View Post
Nokia advertised N900 as real breakthrough in mobile devices...
It is. There's nothing else quite like it. Or any other mobile OS like Maemo/MeeGo.

...and once they got some revenue out of it, they said something like "oops, Maemo 5 and N900 was mistake.
No, they (Jaaski, actually) said:
"We will absolutely not forget N900 users and developers...If you are an N900 owner (or an owner wannabee) this is all good for you...All the MeeGo and Qt momentum will give you many more interesting applications to run on N900. Now and in the future."

That doesn't sound like 'Oops, the N900/Maemo is crap, you're outta luck' to me. Sounds more like 'If you have a N900 you're good to go for quite a while. in fact, we think the N900/Maemo is such an awesome start that 2 of the biggest companies in the world have partnered up and bet the farm that MeeGo can be the dominant OS for high-end mobile devices in the future.'

From now on we will do it better, with Intel.. Sorry, N900 users..."
So you're against progress? You would rather they didn't do it better?

Where am I wrong at that thinking?
Everywhere.
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2010-02-21 , 13:41
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Originally Posted by felbutss View Post
...they better at least fix ALL the bugs before they stop updating it.
A totally unrealistic statement if I ever heard one. Have you ever used any device or software 1/10 as complicated as the N900/Maemo that ever had ALL the bugs fixed?

Go ahead...name one...
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Originally Posted by Crashdamage View Post
A totally unrealistic statement if I ever heard one. Have you ever used any device or software 1/10 as complicated as the N900/Maemo that ever had ALL the bugs fixed?

Go ahead...name one...
nope, but i have seen at least one that got bugs introduced at the last update before abandonment...
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Probably in the #maemo logs somewhere.
Nope, http://www.google.com/search?q=site%...t+%23maemo+pr2 just gives a recursive

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* GeneralAntilles has heard rumors of a PR2 and PR3, even.
Let's say that for the time being we've only heard about PR1.3 with any degree of certainty.
 

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2010-02-21 , 14:08
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Let's say that for the time being we've only heard about PR1.3 with any degree of certainty.
Let's just say I trust my sources.
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2010-02-21 , 14:25
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Originally Posted by Crashdamage View Post
That doesn't sound like 'Oops, the N900/Maemo is crap, you're outta luck' to me. Sounds more like 'If you have a N900 you're good to go for quite a while.
It really sounds like wishful thinking - unless you are authorised to speak for Nokia.
 
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Originally Posted by mlb View Post
It really sounds like wishful thinking - unless you are authorised to speak for Nokia.
Of course I'm not. I've just paid some attention to what has actually been said by those who know :

a. Real Intel and Nokia reps like qgil, Jaaski, etc. etc,
b. People in the Maemo community actually in communication with Nokia and involved in development like the OP of this thread, and...
c. "2 of the biggest companies in the world (who) have partnered up and bet the farm that MeeGo can be the dominant OS for high-end mobile devices in the future."

I took all that, applied a little common sense and decided I'll take their word for what the truth is over blind speculation by chronically depressed naysayers until I see some real evidence otherwise. So far, I don't. My N900 works great, is about to get it's 4th OTA update in 3 months, Maemo lives on bigger and better as MeeGo and I'm all smiles.
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2010-02-21 , 14:59
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Originally Posted by mlb View Post
It really sounds like wishful thinking - unless you are authorised to speak for Nokia.
As already stated in the OP and besides what Crashdamage said, the N900 is a computer that somehow justed got banged up with a phone in the manufacturing process.

If you understand that, then you see there is no need for worries of that kind. Since we got drivers and a nice warm and fussy carebear community right here :3

For anyone else who want to learn what linux how it works and is all about, I recommend installing gentoo or arch on a SPARE computer and have fun!

Then you see the potential freedom which the N900 has AND understand that:

1: " I can do so much stuff with thiss computer/phone"
2: " Reach out to the community and we WILL be there and have all the lovin for all of ours N900 "
 
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Originally Posted by danielpublic View Post
As already stated in the OP and besides what Crashdamage said, the N900 is a computer that somehow justed got banged up with a phone in the manufacturing process.

If you understand that, then you see there is no need for worries of that kind. Since we got drivers and a nice warm and fussy carebear community right here :3
Of course N900 is very flexible and this great community can empower it with tons of useful software.
However - look at that from commercial point of view: What makes N900 attractive to potential buyers? Open source community? I do not think so. It is important for current users, but not as guarantee of product robustness and lifetime support. And so for 3rd party software vendors.

My point is: lack of Nokia statement of long time support for N900 seriously weakens product placement on the market, both from potential users and 3rd party software vendors point of view. I do not believe in success of N900 if based *only* on open source solutions. I do believe in success of blended open source and commercial apps platform - but here Nokia does not seem to be excited, they'd rather go for MeeGo yet without guarantee of backward compatibility with N900.
 

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Originally Posted by felbutss View Post
lol the N900 is the ONLY Maemo 5 device. THE ONLY ONE EVER.
Was there anything in Nokia's past history of in talk about the future that it would be otherwise? The nice thing about the MeeGo deal is that it might actually break that pattern. It might not benefit N900 users directly, but it will help indirectly at the very least.

i had a feeling from the start the n900 will not get maemo 6 but that has changed. now maemo 6 has become MeeGo with intels merger and will be used for many devices not just phones. this means the maemo 5 is over and done.
Again, nothing has really changed, other than the future of the next generation OS is going to be brighter. Personally, that's good news overall. While it falls short of saying "M6 will be on the N900" (which you weren't expecting anyways), you do get that both OSs will have the new QT libraries on it, which means there can be a lot of cross-development at the minimum.

that is a big change from just an OS upgrade. we are beta testers once again for a buggy device all round. the slider is scratching my device, i have a bright spot, when i tap the screen it creaks and god forbid my usb port comes out. software wise dont get me started, i cant belive exchange support still doesnt work for me. over it. reminds me of when i got my N95. this is going to come out wrong but nokia owe us for all these reasons. the n900 was supposed to be a saviour but its not looking that way. its just another beta test for the next device. u watch and tell me i was wrong when everything goes to sh*t. this isnt about QT, QT is great but not enough to fix maemo 5.
I don't know what any of this has to do with hardware issues. Personally, I have none.

I think the issue has become nokia is aware most of the n900 community has been fighting over this and might just need to release a statement for us with a definitive answer. This fear of missing out is human nature, no one wants to be on the sidelines. To much beating around the bush from nokia.
Assuming that Nokia has a definitive answer to give at this point. M6/Meego might not be locked down as far as features goes. This agreement might reinforce that view with the integration and compatibility with Moblin.

This isn't unique to Nokia. There are certain Android phones (Cliq, G1) where there were questions if and when updates to their OSs would happen. At the very least, we know one update will happen and there will at least be another.

One last thing. when nokia were developing Maemo5 and the N900, the plans for a merger were most likely happening during the development stage of the device. So it is very unlucky that we got maemo5 and no one else will. Another situation I would like is if nokia just abandon Maemo5 and give the MeeGo OS to the N900. maybe even the N810, N800 and N770 after all its a multiple device OS platform.
I think really it is a question of hardware, since I think the reasoning Nokia didn't make versions for the N810 and N800 was because they didn't have the juice to run the OS. Maybe that's one of the things the OP ran into with Mer. (I haven't read up onto the whys about how they were being too aggressive.)

I'm not going to stress over the waiting to see if Nokia is going to give us Meego or not for the device. Personally, I enjoy using it. In the meantime, I hope that between the user community and Nokia that eventually all the flaws will be addressed in one way or another.
 
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