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2010-03-03 , 16:25
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#181
Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
Entitled? No. Nobody's entitled to anything in life.. except maybe life itself.
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That makes the human rights bill easier then and also law irrelevant - well that solves a few issues I suppose!

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Not once.. ever have I had a scratched or broken disc replaced. Never. If you try returning a broken disc to a store they will laugh at you if you tell them you bought it in fine condition.. this is just wear and tear from use. You're being a little ridiculous here. When you buy a DVD you aren't buying a life-long commitment from Hollywood to make sure you can always watch that movie.. otherwise Blu-ray would be a free upgrade.
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Err, I said Publisher, not retailer! I work with several of the larger publishers and they will all consider media replacement on production of the original and proof that it was purchased and not stolen.

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This difference has been beaten so badly it's not even worth repeating. I personally don't feel I hurt anybody by doing because the original was not removed from anybody. If someone knocks off a jewelry store then store is out the money of that jewelry. If someone went into a jewelry store and cloned all the diamonds and offered me a free one. I could skirt by on that. I wasn't going to be buying the software in either case. I didn't "take" any money from them.



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Well obviously someone that loves to take but can't be arse to pay their way - still, apparently no one is entitled to anything so maybe his ISP will remove his connection!
 
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I am the only one seeing a logic of "I will only consider paying when it is actually free" in many posts here?

I mean, for real?
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And I would follow your suggestion, and use a bicycle, which equivalent in software industry would be open source software, I guess.
Only if you designed and built the bicycle yourself!
 
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2010-03-03 , 16:26
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Originally Posted by Fargus View Post
I'm sorry, I thought you had bothered to answer the original point posted!

The point I was making was that the protocol is a documented standard that can be implimented in several ways but the individual implimentation is unique. In much the same way that several sentences can be used to convey the same meaning but all have to adhere to the protocol in order for that communication to be understood.
And I still don't get your point.

A protocol is an intellectual construction that is as much useful as its implementation. From the point of view of the defense of intellectual rights, they are both as important, and i don't see why one should be more "protected" than the other. This was my initial point.
 
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Originally Posted by azorni View Post
Then how do you explain that so many technological innovations came from open source branch ?
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If the onnovations that you use come from the open source world then great, use them

This does not give you the right to take something that has not been put into the public domain. If the model works then things will change, if not then they won't. In the meantime don't try to justify circumnavigating the originators wishes just becuase they don't fit your wishes.
 
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2010-03-03 , 16:30
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Originally Posted by Fargus View Post
Only if you designed and built the bicycle yourself!
Apart from Turing or maybe Pascal, nobody as ever designed a piece of software all by oneself.

Same as for the bicycle, if I must design one, i hope I won't have to pay license fees for wheels.
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Originally Posted by Fargus View Post
Well obviously someone that loves to take but can't be arse to pay their way - still, apparently no one is entitled to anything so maybe his ISP will remove his connection!
So we moved the definition of entitled to stuff I didn't pay for.. to removing something I do pay for?

You are not guaranteed or entitled to anything but the right to live. I am against federal-funded schools, welfare, healthcare, and every other item people claim they are "entitled" to simply by living or being in some place or state or position. I know many disagree with me and that's fine. (states may be different.. even better communities or cities can opt to pay for schools.)

However, if I pay for my internet connection, and my ISP doesn't provide: That's a separate issue.

I decided, because I'm bored, to google define entitled and got this:

Entitlement is a guarantee of access to benefits because of rights or by agreement through law. It also refers, in a more casual sense, to someone's belief that one is deserving of some particular reward or benefit. It is often used pejoratively in common parlance (e.g. a "sense of entitlement").
The bold is what I'm referring to. I do think if you pay for something.. you are "entitled" to certain things you would otherwise not be. This is why I hang my head in shame at Bratag's emails from people who received free software - and act like that. At least if they paid for it.. there's something to complain about. If it's free.. you aren't "entitled" to **** from it.. including and not limited to the software even working at all.
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I *really* didn't want to get dragged into this debate... as I said previously.. zealots on both sides are not going to be changing their mind.

I do like the phrase "Do no evil".. as long as I feel I am not harming or hurting anybody.. I'm personally fine with myself. I wouldn't dream of enforcing my opinions on anyone else though.. And you guys can continue to rip each others heads off all day if you want but this argument is *not* new.. and you're not likely to break any new ground that hasn't already been discussed. The open-source followers are not likely to agree paying is a good thing.. and the software companies are not likely to agree to give everything away in the hopes they get something back.

Therefore.. people like me.. I pick and choose who and what to support based on whats available, their practices, and any alternatives there may be.
Actually that is exactly the mentality I was arguing for. If you like the free stuff then go for it - personally I use a lot of free stuff and try to help tweak it were I can too. However, if I can't afford the stuff I would like then I either go without or save for it. If I can't justify the cost of the commercial application then I make do with something that is free.
 
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Originally Posted by mrojas View Post
In the many pages this thread has grown after I left it yesterday, I see a lot of post-rationalization (Gimme, Gimme!!), and very little empathy.
Sadly you are so on the money with that one!
 
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Originally Posted by azorni View Post
I was working a lot under MS indeed, but I'm pretty much sure that everything I did, could have been done using free software.
So if it was possible to do under free software then why didn't you?

the point you were making earlier was that you didn't use retail software - you just stated that you were using retail software. QED
 
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