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2010-03-05 , 18:22
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#321
Originally Posted by azorni View Post
Wow. I wonder how a world without punished piracy looks like.

According to some people here, it must be awful. Hell on Earth, isn'it ?
You make it sound like piracy is enforced everywhere..

A lot of people pirate stuff even in the US, Canada and Europe...
Piracy laws are barely enforced
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2010-03-05 , 21:55
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#322
Originally Posted by mrojas View Post
I still don't see why I am supposed to give away for free something I worked on hard to create.
If only it was only about that, everything would be fine.

But you don't just refuse to give away for free something you worked on hard to create.

You also want to put a cop behind the back of every single one of your customers, so that this cop will make sure that they do not give up your precious software to someone else. And the funny thing is that the salary of this policeman is supposed to be paid by taxing those very customers.

This is insane.

You don't only refuse to give up for free. You ultimately refuse to just give up : you refuse alienation.
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2010-03-06 , 00:38
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#323
Consider the possibility that piracy is desirable to some commercial software houses. The expensive CAD packages for example. The cracks to evade the securities can be found really easily, and I can see that the links of such software on rapidshare are not at all being hunted down (in contrast with most of the games, OSes etc). A student or young professional who does not afford a 3000? software will find easily the cracked version and will learn that software. On the other hand, large organizations, and well established professional engineers/architects are hunted down easily via each country's tax or legal system for software piracy. So the expensive software remains an industry standard (if you couldn't find pirated photoshop, believe me a whole lot of people would learn about the gimp - same analogy about AutoCAD and Intellicad) and the revenue comes from the companies that use it.
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2010-03-06 , 04:37
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#324
Originally Posted by qwazix View Post
Consider the possibility that piracy is desirable to some commercial software houses. The expensive CAD packages for example.
It is also a common practice for Autodesk to give away free licenses in return for good modules made by such illegal users. It is a direct advantage for them. They are against distribution of pirated versions, but they never try to fight against users of illegal copies in Russia at least.
 
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2010-03-06 , 06:39
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Originally Posted by Elhana View Post
It is also a common practice for Autodesk to give away free licenses in return for good modules made by such illegal users. It is a direct advantage for them [...] in Russia at least.
In Soviet Russia, software companies pirate YOU!
 
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2010-03-06 , 11:40
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#326
Originally Posted by qwazix View Post
Consider the possibility that piracy is desirable to some commercial software houses. The expensive CAD packages for example. The cracks to evade the securities can be found really easily, and I can see that the links of such software on rapidshare are not at all being hunted down (in contrast with most of the games, OSes etc). A student or young professional who does not afford a 3000€ software will find easily the cracked version and will learn that software. On the other hand, large organizations, and well established professional engineers/architects are hunted down easily via each country's tax or legal system for software piracy. So the expensive software remains an industry standard (if you couldn't find pirated photoshop, believe me a whole lot of people would learn about the gimp - same analogy about AutoCAD and Intellicad) and the revenue comes from the companies that use it.
there is the thought that microsoft would rather see someone use unlicenced windows or ms office then use a free alternative. Heck, just observe the argumentations from the lobbyists in relation to the US trade "black" list entries for some south american nations.
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2010-03-06 , 12:21
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the thing about copyright is that its a concept thats been a law for a minority elite, the owners of the means to copy, for the last 500 years. But thanks to the digital computer, and our ability to come up with ever more ways of turning analog data into digital data, everyone can be part of that "elite". End result is that we now are faced with a tradition (an established "fact") thats falling apart. And we humans love tradition, as that makes the world predictable. So what we have is the predictable world of copyright on the one hand, and the unknown (here be dragons) world of post-copyright, or even copyright 2.0.

heck, how about i go all the way (and drive a wrecking ball thru this fine thread) and say that the corporate skyscraper offices are the modern day cathedral, with copyright, patents and trademarks as some of their base commandments. Basically, its gone religious, with its priests wearing suits, not robes (except maybe when showing up in certain courtrooms).

i dear say that piracy is the digital ages rock and roll, where the kids are experimenting with whats possible with the new "amplified instruments" and such, while the parents and community elders go around worrying about the downfall of youth.

i say that we are facing the first signs of a potential post-scarcity, or at least a "to cheap to meter" kind of system. The next step up is the 3d printer, and it will come.
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2010-03-06 , 12:48
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How much would be the marketshare of linux if you couldn't get your hand on a pirated copy of windows?They are just trying to bother you enough so that you end up buying it. E.g. the first netbook came with preinstalled linux. They dropped the price of xp to less than half to be able to compete. Now all the netbooks got windows (it's difficult to find one without). Isn't it fair that I buy one copy of xp and use it on two computers? Why are they selling the retail xp twice as much as the netbook version. It's the same software.

I am not trying to justify myself. I have four winxp licenses and I in fact believe that windows is a software worth the money I pay. I am just trying to say that we do really live in the post-copyright era and the software companies know that. They are just trying to adapt, with a different way each one.
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2010-03-06 , 12:53
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#329
If ford starts to charge way too much for the focus, people are going to buy a golf or a mazda 3 or something else. In software this is not always the case. Nobody can make something that does what windows does. There is linux and it is free, but I can't use Autocad on it, I can't play any commercial games, in fact i need it. Other applications too, there are not any comparable free or low cost alternatives. Piracy is a way for the crowd to regulate the prices
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2010-03-06 , 13:16
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Originally Posted by cryox92 View Post
Considering the average salary here is around 150 euros,and 70-80 of them are used to pay the bills...lets say it`s smells like...more food and immediate basic needs .
Howdy there, neighbour. The point is that in your (our ?) case piracy is not sanctioned (except in case of big companies) because it is considered as an investment, a necessary evil, if you wish. You don't have money to pay for it now, but if you get hooked, at some point in time when you WILL have money, it will be all that much easier to convince you to pay a legalization fee than for you to switch away to a different product. Imagine how successful this is on company scales - you don't sue/threat someone when it has two copies of windows. You wait for him to get big and fat, with dozens or hundreds of server and client licenses. THEN you go and say 'hello, we're BSA', putting them between the choice of changing the whole company infrastructure or 'just' paying a (comparably) smaller sum and be over with it. It's legalized extortion, really, as they very well know who is using their products but are wilfully ignoring that information to maximize future profits (it's almost as drug dealers giving drugs to kids at schools 'for free').

However, wasn't there an effort in Macedonia to switch the schools to open source solutions (like edubuntu) ? That, in fact, might contribute to lowering piracy way more than any law.
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