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lma	2010-03-16 , 07:15
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Originally Posted by Mandor

Slide 5 : Is there really no other way to make a donation than with site like PayPal.

Seconded (after a couple of bad experiences Paypal won't be getting anywhere near my credit cards even again).

Perhaps it should be integrated with your ovi account ?

Nah, Ovi getting a 30% cut of donations won't go down very well. Unfortunately I don't have an answer that will :-(

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	Texrat	2010-03-16 , 14:07
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what about obopay? Nokia is now invested in it.

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Mandor	2010-03-16 , 16:32
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Originally Posted by Texrat

what about obopay? Nokia is now invested in it.

Haha ! ok that is fair.

Frankly anything that won't confuse end-users is a go for me. What could confuse end-users you may ask ? Any third-party application/website.

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	Texrat	2010-03-19 , 17:53
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I'll respond to this point by point now.

Originally Posted by Mandor

Slide 5 : Is there really no other way to make a donation than with site like PayPal. Perhaps it should be integrated with your ovi account ? I just see this coming : "I wanted to make a donation but I was brought to PayPal. Is this a scam ? PayPal is not mainstream. If an end user got a Nokia phone and s/he is brought to Ovi.com for donation or better yet if it is integrated in the OS and told that, say, 2$ will be deduced from his/her Ovi account then I am sure donations would increase.

As mentioned in another reply, Obopay is an option I would hope. I have expanded that part of the presentation to accomodate alternatives to Paypal-- although it really was only used as an example.

Originally Posted by Mandor

Slide 16 : Just a small comment. I would trigger the survey after the application has been launch for the fifth time. When I close an application it is often because I have something else do to and don't want to go through a survey at that time.

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As I am not always online I would like to be able to complete the survey offline. I guess it is possible to store the survey localy and then when the phone is connected it can be sent.

Good suggestion, and I can see adding that as a configuration option, sure.

BUT-- the best time to survey the typical user is immediately after they've used the app. If I start an app, I just want to use it and not be bothered with a survey. However, no harm in making that user-configurable and in fact all options should be under a user's control.

And yes, certainly responses could and should be staged offline for later upload. That goes for everything in the proposed framework.

Originally Posted by Mandor

ISlide 21 : Is it possible to have something a la Windows which automaticaly send a report ? If it takes more than 1-2 minutes you are at risk the end user will get tired and close the bug reporting application.

To make it simple : Speed and ease of use are key elements for bug reporting, donation and rating.

There actually already is a provision in Maemo for crash reporting... in fact there was a mild protest on the dev list about me encroaching on that.

But sure, more needs to be investigated there. Note that this was also already planned to be configurable; to what, how and when a user responds should/would be completely under their control.

Thanks for the questions! Glad someone is interested.

I have added a page for this project to the MeeGo wiki. PLEASE join in if you are interested!

http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_a..._working_group

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	YoDude	2010-03-20 , 06:06
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I have some general questions for the Council that will help in answering questions that have been asked of me as a first time candidate.

Hopefully you guys can answer them for me please.

How many members does our community have?

With the talk of the recent growth, can any real numbers be put on it yet?

For instance: How many members were there last year at this time?

How many members can vote in this election?

How can a member easily determine his eligibility?

Thanks.

Oh, and one final question if you don't mind. How much time on average per week do you spend on council business?

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lma	2010-03-20 , 07:40
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Originally Posted by Texrat

what about obopay? Nokia is now invested in it.

If I'm reading it right it requires a cellphone so it would be a non-starter for non-phone device users.

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Originally Posted by lma

If I'm reading it right it requires a cellphone so it would be a non-starter for non-phone device users.

Understood. But guess where the main focus will be.

Anyway it's all about options. Suggestions welcome!

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	hopbeat	2010-03-20 , 08:03
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Originally Posted by Texrat

I know you're tired of hearing this, but once they get their foot in the door, and and aren't dealt with quickly by staff, trolls will ramp it up until they get that attention.

We need 'thumb down' button next to threads. After some threshold such thread should not appear in the active topics and should be visited by moderator. We need to filter the noise a bit, it's getting quite a problem.

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	Texrat	2010-03-20 , 08:06
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Originally Posted by YoDude

I have some general questions for the Council that will help in answering questions that have been asked of me as a first time candidate.

Hopefully you guys can answer them for me please.

How many members does our community have?

With the talk of the recent growth, can any real numbers be put on it yet?

For instance: How many members were there last year at this time?

How many members can vote in this election?

How can a member easily determine his eligibility?

Thanks.

Oh, and one final question if you don't mind. How much time on average per week do you spend on council business?

Accurate numbers will require some query work. I was recently quoted 30,000+ members, but I can't confidently say how that breaks down without access to the data, and I don't have it. Hopefully the metrics initiative at MeeGo will solve that going forward.

As for eligibility, I'm not sure if you mean candidate or voter. The former is on Dave Neary's list (http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Coun...ble_candidates) and any member with 10 karma can vote. A member's karma can be seen by using their maemo.org member name (not Talk) as shown using mine (http://maemo.org/profile/view/texrat/)

I typically spend anywhere from 10 to 30 hours per week on community business; of that, maybe 1/2 has been specific to council-oriented work.

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	Texrat	2010-03-20 , 08:07
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Originally Posted by hopbeat

We need 'thumb down' button next to threads. After some threshold such thread should not appear in the active topics and should be visited by moderator. We need to filter the noise a bit, it's getting quite a problem.

I used to disagree with that, but I've come around to your way of thinking. Reggie is in fact testing that with the MeeGo forum.

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