Does it worry you that you're not sure what to think of my statements?

Yes, agreed, and it s seems that it s when the community starts to be very p-o about lack of feedback on the urgeing issues that things seem to move. well at least on this forum.
The problem might be that the community will always lead in this kind of OSS environment. That can be scary for the number 1 cellphone giant, litterally owning Symbian. Nokia ships one million phones a day....
OTOH, Linux environment may be the future.
IMHO, this is essentially an interface problem between the community and Nokia.

How would a car manufacturer do if its design/maufacture/market flow was "Open Source"?

- Do not hesitate letting Nokia know about your preferred examples of corporations dealing with the communities around their products. Thanks for the TiVo info. We can improve, we can learn from others.

- We need to improve our dialog with the community, agreed. We have got some progress with the developers, but this is not enough to solve the equation of the pure end users. We will discuss this internally (after July).

- "What is Nokia's N800 message?" http://nokia.com/n800 - or what was the question?

- "Who is the pro-typical user or targeted market?" Mmm something like people interested in new technologies, willing to be always online and willing to experiment new ways of using the Internet, the social web, etc. But I'm not a marketing/sales guy.

- "How many units have been produced?" Don't know / Can't answer.

- "What were the projections?" Don't know / Can't answer.

- "Did the N770 meet it's sales forecasts?" Don't know / Can't answer.

- "What features and benefits were added to the N800 that would improve it's prospects of attaining its sales goals?" It's not about "prospects of attaining sales goals" because the sales goals of the 770 and the N800 are different. The 770 opened a totally new product line, with all the risks, opportunities and the unknown. The N800 was released integrating the 770 experience and looking for a wider market within the Nseries context. We keep learning and accumulating experience.

- As time goes and the Internet Tablet project evolves, the context of the tablets involve more customers, developers and Nokia partnerships. It also implies a maturization of the platform, even if it is still not consolidated as i.e. the Linux desktop. Besides, Nokia learned a lesson the day the development support (different from the customer support) for the 770 was discontinued. N800 owners benefit from all this.

- http://bugs.maemo.org was reopened to public access few days ago, see http://maemo.org/news/view/1183519122.html

- Aapo Makela couldn't answer on 2007-03-30 in which release was his fix applied. Last month we announced maemo 4.0 Chinook and the following releases Diablo and Elephanta. You can ask back in your bug report and the developer should be able to tell you in which relase the fix is implemented.

- INdT is not part of Nokia, it's an independent organization funded by Nokia. Even if we discuss and coordinate efforts, they are a different entity.

- Word documents are important in computer usage but are not as relevant from an Internet centric point of view. That has been the rationale until now. If you notice as for today there is not even Windows media support, and they are an essential part of nowadays Internet use. I'd say one day the IT OS will support Word documents, but th are other priorities first. Follow the process if you want to push that feature over our plans, please.

- Yes, everybody wants the magic device that does everything. We focus our attention on the parts we consider essential, and we try not to block the community about all the rest. See for instance the Java support, they are getting organized and I bet at some point they will achieve the level of support most users need.

- "Isn't it now up to Nokia to follow the community's lead?" What about a co-leadership. Also think about this: most of the IT OS is based on open source software developed completely upstream, and we are aligned to the GNOME Mobile project, the Linux kernel team, the Debian project... Isn't this a way to follow the community? Please don't think exclusively on th "community of customers", specially when referring to open source.

- Nokia is not scared about the OSS community and its willingness to lead. Nokia wants to be a good citizen in this community and wants to make the most of the combined potential of energies, for the benefit of both sides (if they are "sides").

Many thanks for the feedback....

True you announced maemo 4.0 Chinook and the following releases Diablo and Elephanta. But, it wasn't clear until now whether they were for the N800 or a completely new tablet.

And my point is made. A little feedback to the community goes a long way.

BTW, what ever happened to the covers? Will they ever be produced?

I disagree on the 'wont carry the n800' - I've taken mine camping, nightclubbing, renaissance fairing, to the beach - it is not big, heavy or very fragile. Short of hammering the screen with something, I think it is quite durable. Before I got the silicone skin on mine, it took a number of tumbles from me shirt pocket to the deck flawlessly.

I think the 'community' is always going to be clamoring for 'more! more!' , and rightfully so, but development is in the hands of those who know how to do it. I wish I knew how. I explored it a bit and was impressed by all the tutorials and such that are available for maemo developers. So I don't think they are resisting, it is just a matter of time and programmers availability. Open source means Nokia is not on the hook for everything, methinks.

Not to the extent that I couldn't sleep or such ... It's just not helpful for further communication (which this forum is supposed to be all about).

Hey Karel and Benny: recalibrate your verbal trebuchets. You're launching past each other and the rest of us are getting covered in something brown and stinky.

/me hands Texrat a clean towel and opens the window. Sorry, I'll try not to do it next time

The N800 case should be ready in 2-3 WEEKS (edited), perhaps a little more. Answered a couple of days ago at http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//ma...ly/005750.html

Thanks Quim. By the way, that's 2-3 weeks in case anyone is wondering!

I did mention it here after your announcement on the mailing list.