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dneary is offline dneary
2010-03-31 , 11:42
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Hi all,

As Crashanddie has already said, the Q1 2010 Maemo Community Council election is closed, and the results are in. The results are now online:

http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=9


Congratulations to Randall Arnold, Andrew Flegg, Attila Csipa, Javier S. Pedro, and Ryan Abel on their election, and my commiserations to the candidates who were not elected, without whom there would not have been an election.

I encourage any of you so inclined to download the ballots file and reproduce the results, as Crashanddie did this morning, and post your analyses of voting patterns and other punditry here or on the community mailing list:

http://maemo.org/vote/blt.php?election_id=9

Originally Posted by CrashandDie View Post
Thanks lma, wasn't sure, so that's why I ran a few of them. As I just said in #maemo, it's amazing how little difference there is.

Why again are we using STV, if the impact is so small? Or is it so small because the turnout is so ridiculously unbalanced?
This election had the highest number of votes since we have had a karma condition on voting.

For information, there were 399 votes out of an electorate of 3485, giving a turnout of 11.45%, compared to the last election, where there were 303 votes out of an electorate of 2339, or a turnout of 12.95%.

The decreased turnout percentage can be explained by the new karma formula and the N900 release, which have resulted in a larger electorate.

As I mentioned on IRC, there have been at least 2 cases of elections which might have had a different result if a different counting method were chosen in the recent past - the GNOME board of directors result was quite controversial because of this, for example.

Fractional transfer STV has a few nice benefits: the result is reproducible, and can be run manually. You get to vote for candidates in order of preference, so you can vote for your actual favourite candidate instead of trying to strategically vote for the candidate who might need your votes to get elected. If your favourite candidate is eliminated, the other guy will get your vote anyway in the end.

We had a very very long debate on voting methods and counting methods a while back, and even held a referendum on the issue because people felt so strongly about it.

STV has a huge impact. What has a small impact (but often a decisive one) is the counting method that's used to count the STV votes. If you use Borda you can get different results to fractional transfer or random transfer.

In today's election, first past the post would have given the same result, since transfers went pretty evenly to Attila, JaviSPedro and andy80, but in last GNOME election: http://foundation.gnome.org/vote/res...election_id=13 Lucas Rocha went from 6th place to 3rd place with transfers, and Diego Escalante Urrelo took the last seat when starting in 8th place, inching ahead of Jorge Castro, who was 5th in 1st preference votes.

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2010-03-31 , 13:07
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Originally Posted by CrashandDie View Post
These are not official results, the official results will be confirmed by Dave Neary (dneary)

We can see that the amount of votes cast drops very rapidly. We can definitely see that some people just want to use the 10 sliding votes, whereas some have very specific ideas of whom their vote should go to.

Average of votes per voter: 6.173803526
Voters who gave 10 candidates: 144
Voters who gave 9 candidates: 5
Voters who gave 7 candidates: 6
Voters who gave 7 candidates: 11
Voters who gave 6 candidates: 27
Voters who gave 5 candidates: 54
Voters who gave 4 candidates: 41
Voters who gave 3 candidates: 50
Voters who gave 2 candidates: 36
Voters who gave 1 candidates: 23

Congratulations to everyone.

And here are the results as generated per OpenSTV, using the Fractional Transfer STV Count (Droop-Static-While method)

Code:
Counting votes for Maemo Community Council elections, Q1 2010 using Fractional Transfer STV.
10 candidates running for 5 seats.
Using a Droop-Static-Whole threshold.

 R|Arek Stop|Randall A|Cosimo Kr|Andrew Fl|Attila Cs
  |czynski (|rnold (te|oll (zehj|egg (Jaff|ipa (Atti
  |hopbeat) |xrat)    |otkah)   |a)       |la77/achi
  |         |         |         |         |pa)      
  |---------+---------+---------+---------+---------
  |Steven Pa|Javier S.|Andrea Gr|Andrew Bl|Ryan Abel
  |olini Yea| Pedro (J|andi (and|ack (andr| (General
  |ger (YoDu|aviSPedro|y80)     |ewfblack)|Antilles)
  |de)      |)        |         |         |         
  |---------+---------+---------+---------+---------
  |Exhausted|Surplus  |Threshold
  |         |         |         
  |         |         |         
  |         |         |         
====================================================
 1|17.000000|97.000000|16.000000|84.000000|29.000000
  |13.000000|32.000000|24.000000|13.000000|72.000000
  | 0.000000|52.000000|67.000000
  |-------------------------------------------------
  | Count of first choices. Candidates Randall
  | Arnold (texrat), Andrew Flegg (Jaffa), and Ryan
  | Abel (GeneralAntilles) have reached the
  | threshold and are elected. Candidates have
  | surplus votes so surplus votes will be
  | transferred for the next round.
====================================================
 2|19.783502|67.000000|17.546390|84.000000|36.113394
  |17.020614|33.855668|25.546390|19.804116|72.000000
  | 4.329926|22.000000|67.000000
  |-------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from
  | Randall Arnold (texrat) with a transfer value of
  | 30.000000/97.000000. Candidates have surplus
  | votes so surplus votes will be transferred for
  | the next round.
====================================================
 3|20.997782|67.000000|18.760670|67.000000|40.363374
  |17.020614|36.284228|27.570190|22.232676|72.000000
  | 7.770466| 5.000000|67.000000
  |-------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from
  | Andrew Flegg (Jaffa) with a transfer value of
  | 17.000000/84.000000. Candidates have surplus
  | votes so surplus votes will be transferred for
  | the next round.
====================================================
 4|21.067226|67.000000|19.038446|67.000000|41.057814
  |17.437278|36.770336|28.472962|23.413224|67.000000
  | 8.742714| 0.000000|67.000000
  |-------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from Ryan
  | Abel (GeneralAntilles) with a transfer value of
  | 5.000000/72.000000. No candidates have surplus
  | votes so candidates will be eliminated and their
  | votes transferred for the next round.
====================================================
 5|22.067226|67.000000|21.417168|67.000000|42.815258
  |         |43.458336|30.400796|24.341058|67.000000
  |11.500158| 0.000000|67.000000
  |-------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating Steven Paolini Yeager
  | (YoDude) and transferring votes. No candidates
  | have surplus votes so candidates will be
  | eliminated and their votes transferred for the
  | next round.
====================================================
 6|28.787216|67.000000|         |67.000000|46.289462
  |         |48.348716|33.019352|24.852716|67.000000
  |14.702538| 0.000000|67.000000
  |-------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating Cosimo Kroll (zehjotkah)
  | and transferring votes. No candidates have
  | surplus votes so candidates will be eliminated
  | and their votes transferred for the next round.
====================================================
 7|34.807810|67.000000|         |67.000000|57.585110
  |         |50.508198|35.181556|         |67.000000
  |17.917326| 0.000000|67.000000
  |-------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating Andrew Black
  | (andrewfblack) and transferring votes. No
  | candidates have surplus votes so candidates will
  | be eliminated and their votes transferred for
  | the next round.
====================================================
 8|         |67.000000|         |67.000000|74.663732
  |         |55.768626|38.453380|         |67.000000
  |27.114262| 7.663732|67.000000
  |-------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating Arek Stopczynski
  | (hopbeat) and transferring votes. Candidate
  | Attila Csipa (Attila77/achipa) has reached the
  | threshold and is elected. Candidates have
  | surplus votes so surplus votes will be
  | transferred for the next round.
====================================================
 9|         |67.000000|         |67.000000|67.000000
  |         |59.403748|40.598939|         |67.000000
  |28.997313| 0.000000|67.000000
  |-------------------------------------------------
  | Count after transferring surplus votes from
  | Attila Csipa (Attila77/achipa) with a transfer
  | value of 7.663732/74.663732. No candidates have
  | surplus votes so candidates will be eliminated
  | and their votes transferred for the next round.
====================================================
10|         |67.000000|         |67.000000|67.000000
  |         |81.205241|         |         |67.000000
  |47.794759|14.205241|67.000000
  |-------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating Andrea Grandi (andy80)
  | and transferring votes. Candidate Javier S.
  | Pedro (JaviSPedro) has reached the threshold and
  | is elected.

Winners are Randall Arnold (texrat), Andrew Flegg
(Jaffa), Attila Csipa (Attila77/achipa), Javier S.
Pedro (JaviSPedro), and Ryan Abel (GeneralAntilles).
Thanks all for voting!

(YoDude)
|----------------+
|Exhausted|
Yup, that^ about sums it up.

***

The concession prize I received for my involvement in the process of this terms community council election is that the candidate I did nominate, became one of the newer faces on the council.

javispedro is a developer whom I believe participates and communicates with "engaged users" where ever they may be. He provides help to these community members regardless of the applications they use or are inquiring about.
His contributions and the enthusiasm he displays in his posts on talk.maemo.org are refreshing.

-S. P. Yeager
"YoDude"
Congratulations to Randall Arnold, Andrew Flegg, Attila Csipa, Javier S. Pedro, and Ryan Abel on their election to this, the 4th Maemo Community Council.
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I'l echo what Dave (dneary) said. This was the most interesting run I can recall, and I believe the needs going forward will reflect that...
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2010-03-31 , 17:13
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Congratulations to all who were elected, commisserations do those who weren't. Although not eligible to vote, as I haven't been around long enough, I've watched this process with interest and have learned a lot from it and the candidiates. Hopefully I'll be around and eligible to vote in the next set.

Looking forward to the future of the maemo community .
 
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Congratulations to those that won, and to those that didn't win: don't get discouraged! Please stick around, keep being helpful and high profile, and try again next term.

As for the voter turnout, I am a bit surprised and disappointed. With more than 1100 new eligible voters, we got less than a hundred more votes?

I suspect the low profile of the last council contributed to the low turnout. I'm sure quite a few new voters shrugged and said, "Why should I care? What does the Council do, anyway?"

We've got a strong, vocal, and engaged council this term. I'm sure you'll be a lot more high-profile and visible.

You're going to need to be. The ride from here to MeeGo sounds like it is going to be a wild one.
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2010-03-31 , 18:47
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Originally Posted by qole View Post
As for the voter turnout, I am a bit surprised and disappointed. With more than 1100 new eligible voters, we got less than a hundred more votes?
Suggestions from anyone on how to get a higher turnout in future is appreciated: show the council to be more relevant over the 6 month term? increased advertising? follow-up mailshots to remind people to vote?

We've got a strong, vocal, and engaged council this term. I'm sure you'll be a lot more high-profile and visible.
Hopefully we'll live up to expectations!

You're going to need to be. The ride from here to MeeGo sounds like it is going to be a wild one.
Yeehah!
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2010-03-31 , 18:56
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With the risk of overgeneralizing, the N900 brought in 1100 or so voters. (Some may have joined because of other devices, but some old-time users may have left because the forums shifted focus to the N900 and Maemo 5.)

Wow, that's pretty small. Does Nokia release the N900 sales figures?

I wonder if Nokia can be convinced to advertise TMO, Council, etc. in some printed pamphlet that's distributed together with the hardware. (All modulo transition to Meego, of course.)
 
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Congrats for the new council. I really think this one has the potential to be the best one yet.
 

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2010-03-31 , 19:12
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Small voter turnout, but then again, the community *is* small. And by that I am referring to GeneralAntilles' comments from about a week ago or so. Many users, but few community members.

The coverage I did of the election got a few hundred views, whereas the interviews I did of Peter gathered a few thousand each. Numbers tell, even from some simple blog stats.

EDIT - congrats to the new Council!
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Originally Posted by qole View Post
As for the voter turnout, I am a bit surprised and disappointed. With more than 1100 new eligible voters, we got less than a hundred more votes?
How many token were sent ?
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