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Wow. That's some anger.

Guess being around from the 770 to N810 and having extremely high hopes for the N900 and it not meeting my expectations... I'm supposed to be silent.

I'm active on the Apple boards... only when I have a complaint. So far, in 3 years, 16 problems that lead to 7 replacements. I'd say that's faulty enough to want to find hope elsewhere.

The rest... I'll let you deal with that nonsense. Last I checked the boards allowed for members that did and did not own the N900 to have an opinion. If that rule has changed, I missed the memo.
 
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man View Post
And an unhealthy dose of marketing.
For sure

Anyway, that's a numbers game. As long as they think they can recoup the marketing costs, why shouldn't anyone in the business do the same?

As for the N900 taking away Apple's thunder. Nokia. Nokia's greatest problem (and oddly strength up till now) was its diversity. Except now it's biting them in the *** since they have two (three but maemo is considered a dead end in the future with part of it being merged into meego) platforms to maintain. Apple has one (well they have version differences). Android has one (well again version differences). But compared to Symbian and maemo it's not two different operating systems. And unless Nokia can get there focus straight by either focusing on one platform, or provide the tools AND support for cross compatibility it's going remain this way.
To put things in perspective, I think for a company the size of Nokia, the investments in OS is miniscule. Look at what Palm has done with their much limited resources (compared to Nokia or Apple). Granted their execution is failing flat on its face, I think Palm has designed and implemented the WebOS quite well.

What's stopping Nokia to license Android anyway?
They can even spin off a different company to run it if they want to keep it off from 'tainting' their brands.
See also: Vertu
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
What's stopping Nokia to license Android anyway?
Probably a bit of NIH, and the knowledge that they have two viable OSes, one of which is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
 
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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
Probably a bit of NIH, and the knowledge that they have two viable OSes, one of which is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Yeah but I can't help to wonder...

What if the N900 comes in two flavors?

Or maybe defaults with Android for the 'masses' and optionally you can download and install maemo and dual boot it.

I'm betting that would set fire to the N900. Think of how much coverage (mindshare) it would garner as it rides the Android news wave. How all the new android handsets will be compared with the N900, etc. Maemo would become a trojan OSS payload within a popular handset.
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I would be more interested on WebOS running on the N900 than Android, tbh. I like its architecture and interface way more.

Maybe I would just buy a Palm Pre, I like the form factor, portrait slider is pure win and should be cheap this days...
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
Think of how much coverage (mindshare) it would garner as it rides the Android news wave. How all the new android handsets will be compared with the N900, etc. Maemo would become a trojan OSS payload within a popular handset.
I suppose if you -wanted- Android, that'd be great. Including Maemo et. al. at that point would be a waste of space, since you'd effectively be conceding to Android.

Personally, I'd consider that a loss.
 
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Originally Posted by vmajor View Post
Re multitasking.

I disagree. There can be no compromise. Put tasks to sleep, lower their priority, make them release RAM etc., but moving away from true multitasking to some form of task switching or Appletasking (no, I am not being facetious, thank the visionary and charismatic Mr Jobs for that - he started the singlatasking on powerful platforms with NeXT, then original Apple OS (not true multitasking), finally letting go of that nightmare with OS X, only to go back to it with iPhone/iPad...and it is plain wrong).

Putting system wide constraints on what you can and cannot run at the same time is loathsome - and it is already done very well now on that other platform.

Getting back to N900 disappointments, well I for one cannot see much wrong with it the way I use it. I truly do see it as a PC. I make and receive perhaps 2-3 calls per day, but literally live online. N900 allows me to get away from my office and building and still maintain contact and productivity.

My three year old Nokia E65 is a much better phone than the N900, but it is also a much better phone than any of the modern touch screen superphones, so that point is moot. The best phone is still just a simple phone.

So again for the n+1 time, there are people that are rational and reasonable and not overly geeky/linux loving that genuinely like the N900. I personally think the N900 is great - with the few caveats like the bluetooth thing and lack of Ovi suite support - these two points REALLY p***s me off.

...and there are people that genuinely do not like or actively dislike the N900.

These are the facts and I am with the perceived "zealots" on this point; there really isn't much need to keep going in the same circle. There is a nice photo of a very dead horse sometimes used on another forum to describe the futility of such threads as this one.

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I think when you analyze these implementations (single tasking, web as apps, etc) as design concepts and take away the 'political' connotations behind it (oooh apple is bad! jobs is the devil!... which are not necessarily wrong btw). There are actual merits to be found.

You don't want to deal with runaway processes (or any other uncontrolled resource deprivation) on your cellphone, making it unresponsive when you need it or wasting away battery without you knowing.

You don't want a buggy RSS client to gobble up your data plan (and battery), especially whlie you're roaming. You can potentially get a phone bill large enough to buy a few N900.

Again, this is taking a step back to look at what's needed in a mobile phone. Not just simply taking 'desktop computing' and applying physical miniaturization to the traditional concepts.
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@mrojas: any concerns of its future support at this point? especially without knowing who's buying palm...

@wmarone: yes, when you treat this as an ideological battlefield... I was making comments putting Nokia's bottomline above other interests, as they should...
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@wmarone: yes, when you treat this as an ideological battlefield... I was making comments putting Nokia's bottomline above other interests, as they should...
Is this not an ideological battlefield already, plowed by Nokia themselves? After all, if they didn't think it would work they could easily have just dropped Maemo altogether and used Android by now, yet instead they're pushing for MeeGo and working with the Linux foundation.

I'd say Nokia feels that this is where their bottom line lies, at least for the high end.
 
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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
Is this not an ideological battlefield already, plowed by Nokia themselves? After all, if they didn't think it would work they could easily have just dropped Maemo altogether and used Android by now, yet instead they're pushing for MeeGo and working with the Linux foundation.

I'd say Nokia feels that this is where their bottom line lies, at least for the high end.
Lol, I didn't know they're such fanbois themselves...

Seriously though... yeah, I guess NIH seems to run quite thick in their decisions.

I can see the long term (hugeeee) benefit of having maemo/MeeGo executed successfully and also the strategic value if they can help Intel realize a viable alternative mobile platform (to ARM). But those two... they seem too distant and moving so very slowly while the competitors are gaining much steam.
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