Yup! It is being echoed by our arch nemesis 'Engadget'

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/30/n...othe-frustrat/

Re: Nokia's financial performance and possibility of replacing the CEO due to non performance.

I don't see how you can dodge that issue?
Profitability down.
US market share down from 20% to 7%.

Significant problems.

And all those forum posters who have been screaming that Nokia is falling apart and lost the plot will now feel vindicated

My point was about Nokia selling a(nother) half baked phone which yet again is tested by its customers rather than resolve bugs before they release it. But if you people on here accept incomplete phones and blame those of us that criticise, then thats fine. I won't lose sleep over it.

This forum has too many smart arse fanboys. Some forums are friendly and help new members. On here, anyone with anything bad to say about Nokia is referred to as a troll and oh..."research research" when the device doesn't do something it was sold to do

Yup but we get a tight metallic body instead

If it was plastic + non-removable than it would have been a deal braker.

Well actually not.
Market share doesn't actually reflect sales - which have grown.

The US market is mainly Nokia-unaware and the top selling phone before the iPhone was/were the Motorola bla bla ZR.

iPhone has gained market share due to users migrating from a phone to another phone (not a smartphone) since the first iPhone can't even be called a mediocre feature phone. To those users the complexity of menus submenus, widgets, setups camera focus, etc(Symbian) would have been incomprehensible - instead, apple has gained market share by presenting basic features as "innovations" and introducing them to the basic user one step at a time.

Then there's android - and since it's not "cool" to not have an OS on any phone every low end piece of junk now has android - and android has the proper advertising which nokia doesn't.

Nokia - king of the world until 2008. Why only until 2008? Easy, they stopped producing high end devices after N82 and N95 (2007), don't ask me why but they even claimed there's no need for HWA in a phone
Symbian UIQ aka. Sony's touch symbian version went down (exactly because of low-spec devices IMHO but then there was the lack of standards such as USB and micro SD which already brings the iPhone down) and Nokia "smartly" decided it wasn't yet time for touch screen devices as the industry wasn't ready yet.
Nokia was right - since the first two iPhones were a complete mess - but that doesn't mean the users didn't want to go "touch" (I did)
So instead of making a bold move they decided to wait, exactly at the time when everyone else decided they belong to the mobile space as well.

Mistakes or not, things are slowly heading back where they used to be.
IMHO old dinosaurs (Nokia & Apple CEOs) have had quite a hard time adapting - at least Nokia has finally managed to do so.

I don't think that was what your original comment potrayed

If Nokia's smartphones are half-baked I don't know what phones aren't.
If I were to judge things like this I'd stick with fixed telephony and TV instead of a pc/internet.

But then again I have enjoyed XP and ubuntu for years and if I am to look back both of them were unbaked piece of craps compared to what they are today. We don't live back in Y2K when having a bug on a device meant it was ruined and the whole stock had to be recalled at the factory and reflashed.

So please tell me what company doesn't release "unbaked" devices so I might sell my house and car and buy as muck as I can of their stock.

I mean it, please tell me what company doesn't release "unbaked" devices?

Can this thead be moved to offtopic as well, since it has nothing to do with the N8 itself anymore?

That's no excuse at all for not having a removable battery. Years ago, the Moto Razr had a 'tight metallic body' and still had a removable battery.
I'll never buy any phone with an integrated battery. Total deal-breaker regardless of any other features.