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2007-07-28
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I cant see the N770 or N800 being all that great with the lack of buttons and all. Dont forget the GP2X version is fairly optimized for the GP2X, just because the N800 has a faster CPU Mhz (It doesnt always mean it's faster, I dont know for sure if it is or not) it doesnt mean a quick port of an PSX Emu is instantly going to produce playability. I doubt it'll be any better than the GP2X version and never anywhere near the PSP.
Personally I have a GP2X so have no real interest in emulation on my N770.
Personally I have a GP2X so have no real interest in emulation on my N770.
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2007-07-28
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Originally Posted by DynaMight
The 770 uses an ARMv5TEJ (ARM 926) at 252MHz, while the GP2X uses an ARMv4TE (ARM 920) at 200MHz. They should have pretty comparable instructions-per-clock (1.1 for the ARMv5 vs. 1.111 for the ARMv4), which would favor the 770's processor because of it's higher clock speed.
I cant see the N770 or N800 being all that great with the lack of buttons and all. Dont forget the GP2X version is fairly optimized for the GP2X, just because the N800 has a faster CPU Mhz (It doesnt always mean it's faster, I dont know for sure if it is or not) it doesnt mean a quick port of an PSX Emu is instantly going to produce playability. I doubt it'll be any better than the GP2X version and never anywhere near the PSP.
Personally I have a GP2X so have no real interest in emulation on my N770.
That doesn't mean that the 770 as a platform is faster, but there's a decent basis for suggesting the possibility.
The N800 has an even stronger advantage with an ARMv6 (ARM 1136) at 330MHz (couldn't find any estimates on IPC), which adds some MMX-like instructions.
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2007-07-28
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We'll see how it pans out, naturally theres lots of things other than pure CPU speed which may effect the final speed. PSX would be fairly heavy on data transfer between CPU and Memory so if theres a bottleneck between CPU/Mem etc this may cause a problem, again no idea if this will be better/same/worse than a GP2X. I doubt the N800/770 has ever been pushed in this way.
But as you said, specs wise, on paper the N770 is faster than the GP2X and the N800 should have some more to spare! Will be intestering to see how things pan out. Still a shame Nokia couldnt had given us 4 buttons on the right
probably the only big reason why it's not crawling with emulators and ported games.
But as you said, specs wise, on paper the N770 is faster than the GP2X and the N800 should have some more to spare! Will be intestering to see how things pan out. Still a shame Nokia couldnt had given us 4 buttons on the right
probably the only big reason why it's not crawling with emulators and ported games.
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2007-07-28
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The guy who wrote the psx emulator for gp2x might buy a N800 and port his emu to it.
Still a shame Nokia couldnt had given us 4 buttons on the right probably the only big reason why it's not crawling with emulators and ported games.
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2007-07-29
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Originally Posted by DynaMight
I doubt the N800/770 has ever been pushed in this way.
Try running Quake 2 fullscreen on the N800. It really shows the full potential of this monster. All this without the 3D accelerator.
I wish i could kick those bastards over at PowerVR for their crappy linux support.
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2007-07-29
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this is all a joke right? I can't even play a simple nes or gba or mame game on my n800 smoothly. Plus it takes for ever to load a dumb as* game such as duck hunt. Keep dreaming on smooth PS emu. Your trying to cook a gourmet dish but you can't even turn an oven on. Get it right with the smaller stuff first (nes) you guys are way over your head.
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2007-07-29
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Originally Posted by earl00
this is all a joke right? I can't even play a simple nes or gba or mame game on my n800 smoothly. Plus it takes for ever to load a dumb as* game such as duck hunt. Keep dreaming on smooth PS emu. Your trying to cook a gourmet dish but you can't even turn an oven on. Get it right with the smaller stuff first (nes) you guys are way over your head.
- There isn't a single emulator that has been optimized for the N770 or N800.
- MAME isn't designed to be fast. It is designed to be accurate.
- The only app of any kind I'm aware-of that a) has high-level optimization and b) is hardware optimized for the tablets is ssvb's excellent mplayer port.
- Way over our head: I'll agree with that,
which is why I'm excited that someone who does have skills has declared his intention to get a N800 for porting psx. - Not claiming smooth framerates for 3D, but playable framerates. 2D games should be smooth.
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2007-07-29
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PSX would be great. There are many great strategy rpgs that would be very playable without needing to be fullspeed. The guys responsible for PSX4all are very, very talented. Just look at how their emu does on the Zaurus or Gizmondo. The GP2X was just too underpowered for it, and they still got some games running half-speed. With a bt controller on the N800, it would be heaven.
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2007-07-30
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has any one tried the BGP100 bluetooth gamepad with the n800? i just bought one off eBay. i know it will work with my ppc-6700 but i am just wondering if it'll work with the n800.
edit: ok maybe i should have searched first. /doh
apparently you need a hacked driver thats in the KBDD package.
on the nes emu. i run fceu with contra and punch out and those two games run perfect except for the on screen button flicker bug. maybe the blue tooth controller can solve this easily. plus the d-pad on the n800 is damn near impossible to play punch out with even. i also don't think diagonal on the d pad works at all.
Last edited by jay8378; 2007-07-30 at 04:19.
edit: ok maybe i should have searched first. /doh
apparently you need a hacked driver thats in the KBDD package.
on the nes emu. i run fceu with contra and punch out and those two games run perfect except for the on screen button flicker bug. maybe the blue tooth controller can solve this easily. plus the d-pad on the n800 is damn near impossible to play punch out with even. i also don't think diagonal on the d pad works at all.
Last edited by jay8378; 2007-07-30 at 04:19.
No fooling: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pxdExmBC3uk
The latest psp psx emus make full use of the 3D hardware of the psp, so they are a lot faster. It's a real shame that we don't have drivers for the 3D GPU in the N800.
Anyway like someone else said, a lot of us don't want to a) spend money on a gaming-only device and b) don't want to carry-around two devices.
Judging from the videos of 2D and 3D PS1 RPGs on the gp2x, N800 users should be in for a real treat in a couple of months.
Keep your fingers crossed.
Last edited by ArnimS; 2007-07-29 at 03:01. Reason: s/3d chips/3d gpu