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2010-05-03
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#372
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Originally Posted by ysss
I also work in a software company and know what's involved.
More features != more mature.
A big part of quality assurance is to make sure that all the new components (newly merged codebranches, etc) can work together well and test them in as many situations as possible.
We don't even know the exact testing platforms used. Perhaps the test phones have certain features (or lack thereof) that makes it easier to reflash or getaround certain issues, so they leave out the safeties.
Etc.
Every software released is buggy. Official PR 1.2 will be buggy.
So far, I've tried every major stuff that I do with my N900 and found no problems yet.
I can confidently say that PR 1.1.1 was buggier than this leaked firmware so far.
If I do find something which makes my N900 useless (which there isn't), I'll post it at TMO and warn others.
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2010-05-03
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#373
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The title of this thread is WRONG.
The recently leaked version is NOT an RC, as we concluded in this thread. It is more likely an alpha, or an early beta version.
The recently leaked version is NOT an RC, as we concluded in this thread. It is more likely an alpha, or an early beta version.
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2010-05-03
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#374
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Originally Posted by Larswad
Heh. Only 1 Person really understood my point.
I believe OP is talking about attitude here and I can understand his point of view, there is no need to bash the people who flashed their devices with the RC. Maybe even some of them had no idea about the dangers and problems that could arise. Maybe they thought it wasn't much of a big deal at all taking a firmware that has leaked prior to release.
So, even if you're not in to help out here, maybe you could just keep from gloating at someone else's misery. Because that's not the spirit that we should keep in this open community, is it?
It's up to each person what to do. Personally I even wait a little while to see what happens when authorized public updates arrive, how the reactions are so that I know what will happen when I update. But I wouldn't blame or jump on anyone that goes right ahead updating.
Maybe the wording for the topic was wrong, my English level sometimes challenges me.
For those who wrote that I am wasting your time when you would have been able to be working on other projects for the community,
I am not asking anyone to sit at their computer for hours or even 10s of minutes and figure out why this and that is not working for me cause of PR1.2 (Leaked). I was again, talking about the reactions of people to other N900 users seeking for help, if you already know the solution, posting it take 2 minutes max.
Forgive me for wasting 2 minutes of your time.
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2010-05-03
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#375
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What the f#*! is going on here!
Where is all this anger coming from? Really what have we become?
First I want to say, I jailbroke my iPhone years ago and it broke. So I know how dangerous it is to install unapproved software on a phone.
Let's for a second or two forget the fact, that this came from an unknown and dodgy source. Let's assume we downloaded it straight from a Nokia server. How would we treat people with problems? Tell to go f#ck themselves because it is just a beta version? Probably not, or so I hope. So I say to PR1.2 installers: "You've been very naughty, but now let's see how I can help you."
Which brings me to another point. Why is there not an offical Nokia beta version fo 1.2?? Even Apple is making beta versions of the OS available to the developers. And yes they say if it breaks you are on your own. So if an extremly closes company like Apple can provide a beta for developers, why can't Nokia? I can't be trade secrets, it is mostly open source, and it is available in the SDK anyways... It can't be the users/developers, or does Nokia think we cannot handle a beta version but an Apple user can??? I said it before and I will say it again> Nokia needs to communicate better with us. Be more open! Tell us what is going on. Where is the roadmap/release plan? Put it in the developer section of this website, We know that this things a not set in stone. But we get nothing for all we know offical PR1.2 could be released tonight or in two months. Is it in testing? Maybe. We have hints but nothing offical.
On to the next thing. Why does it take so long between releases? What would be wrong with smaller releases that happen more often? (See WebOS with an release every 4 weeks) or at least a set schedule like Gnome or Ubuntu.
Right know I am unsure if my next phone will be a Nokia again. Not that I don't like the n900, I love it. But it is this false sense of community and openness that I find off puting.
Last thing.
I just read on Twitter, that 1.2 can cause damage on the device. I do not know if that is true, but this is then the chance for Nokia to shine and come to the rescue: Release a better beta version. Help the people how like there phone so much, the play with it all the time and even install untested software. Be the hero, not the do#che.
End of rant.
Andy
Where is all this anger coming from? Really what have we become?
First I want to say, I jailbroke my iPhone years ago and it broke. So I know how dangerous it is to install unapproved software on a phone.
Let's for a second or two forget the fact, that this came from an unknown and dodgy source. Let's assume we downloaded it straight from a Nokia server. How would we treat people with problems? Tell to go f#ck themselves because it is just a beta version? Probably not, or so I hope. So I say to PR1.2 installers: "You've been very naughty, but now let's see how I can help you."
Which brings me to another point. Why is there not an offical Nokia beta version fo 1.2?? Even Apple is making beta versions of the OS available to the developers. And yes they say if it breaks you are on your own. So if an extremly closes company like Apple can provide a beta for developers, why can't Nokia? I can't be trade secrets, it is mostly open source, and it is available in the SDK anyways... It can't be the users/developers, or does Nokia think we cannot handle a beta version but an Apple user can??? I said it before and I will say it again> Nokia needs to communicate better with us. Be more open! Tell us what is going on. Where is the roadmap/release plan? Put it in the developer section of this website, We know that this things a not set in stone. But we get nothing for all we know offical PR1.2 could be released tonight or in two months. Is it in testing? Maybe. We have hints but nothing offical.
On to the next thing. Why does it take so long between releases? What would be wrong with smaller releases that happen more often? (See WebOS with an release every 4 weeks) or at least a set schedule like Gnome or Ubuntu.
Right know I am unsure if my next phone will be a Nokia again. Not that I don't like the n900, I love it. But it is this false sense of community and openness that I find off puting.
Last thing.
I just read on Twitter, that 1.2 can cause damage on the device. I do not know if that is true, but this is then the chance for Nokia to shine and come to the rescue: Release a better beta version. Help the people how like there phone so much, the play with it all the time and even install untested software. Be the hero, not the do#che.
End of rant.
Andy
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2010-05-03
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#376
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Originally Posted by eitama
So, which is it. Are we stupid or not? I'd like to know.
... with examples, cause we are not stupid people.
- And yes, there was an ample dose of STUPIDITY.
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2010-05-03
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#377
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Originally Posted by andybehr
There is a brainstorm about it, vote for it!
On to the next thing. Why does it take so long between releases? What would be wrong with smaller releases that happen more often? (See WebOS with an release every 4 weeks) or at least a set schedule like Gnome or Ubuntu.
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2010-05-03
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#378
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Originally Posted by Venemo
The title of this thread is WRONG.
The recently leaked version is NOT an RC, as we concluded in this thread. It is more likely an alpha, or an early beta version.
Title changed to Beta
Edit: Looks like the Poll's title took over and can't be changed.
Last edited by h3llraz0r; 2010-05-03 at 11:24.
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2010-05-03
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#379
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Originally Posted by slender
- We = People who flashed, and got into trouble, then asked for help and got bashed.
I do not exactly know to whom you are referring by "we", but if you mean people who have downloaded leaked fw from torrent/mediafire/rapidshare etc. source, read flash guides, flashed device with this image, found problems, came here to post about problems and ask for help then i would say that yes.
Fo f sake. Do you install stuff e.g. to your windows from random sources just because you are bored. Do you understand what kind of security threat these people are? Huge. People should take responsibility of their own actions. Sometimes I just think that oddly behaving mass of users are probably just teenagers who have not yet realised thing or two :|
- Choosing 1 of the reasons I mentioned in my OP, and using it as a soul point for arguing, is lame.
- I am not looking for someone to blame. I am pointing fingers at those bashing others who took a risk.
Is your phone OCed? would you want help with that if something went wrong?
What would you think if you had phonecalls hanging-up 2 minutes after they started just cause you are running @ 900 MHz, and going back to 600MHz didn't solve it? Wouldn't you appreciate any help someone could give you?
Take your pick :
- It's your problem you overclocked, you should take responsibily for your actions, it's well known and written the OCing may void warrenty and harm your phone.
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- Try doing this and that inside a terminal, or follow this post it should solve your problem.
Which one is better?
If you CAN HELP, why not?
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2010-05-03
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#380
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It would be nice for a MOD to merge all these PR1.2 related threads into one.
There are way too many at the moment... looks like every question is a new thread.!
There are way too many at the moment... looks like every question is a new thread.!
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So what's your point?
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare
Now I can't point out the lines that make you sound clueless because they're all pretty good contenders. You're obviously a guy who doesn't know what he's doing (nor saying!)
If you read the thread carefuly, I clearly asked a question to have an idea of how the community was expecting PR1.2 to be. If you have a problem against me because you feel insulted by my threads then I apologize in advance and invite you keep doing what you do best and use your overclocking "skills" to boost that slow mind of yours.
My phone runs at 600mhz but would probably get more things done than that useless burning brick of yours.
Last edited by h3llraz0r; 2010-05-03 at 11:26.