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2010-05-04
, 16:45
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@ Helsinki
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#12
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Originally Posted by moi
Is this some kind of a joke?
is the least you can do. After all, you central and northern european still come on summer to our coasts and enjoy our sun
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2010-05-04
, 16:49
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@ Espoo, Finland
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#13
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Sad very sad issue. Specially for regular greeks who have to pay the largest price for the stupidity of former government's and banks.
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2010-05-04
, 16:54
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@ Espoo, Finland
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#14
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Originally Posted by moi
Say WHAT?? You must be joking with this comment... You really think this all subsidizes?
is the least you can do. After all, you central and northern european still come on summer to our coasts and enjoy our sun, but also our Public Health System, which pays what you don't want to pay in your homecountry. If you don't get it is just because you're not retired yet. They'll explain, don't you worry.
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2010-05-04
, 17:00
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@ Helsinki
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#15
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Originally Posted by bbin
Oh it's easy to blame the banks and capitalists, but the truth is that the voting public was perfectly happy with the corruption as long as it benefited them. This is nothing like Iceland and its insane risk-taking bankers. I have little sympathy.
Sad very sad issue. Specially for regular greeks who have to pay the largest price for the stupidity of former government's and banks.
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2010-05-04
, 17:09
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@ Espoo, Finland
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#16
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Originally Posted by jnwi
You think it is just okay to give a loan to a totally bankrupt government without good guarantee's? Spare me. This is what happens when loan and markets aren't controlled.
Oh it's easy to blame the banks and capitalists, but the truth is that the voting public was perfectly happy with the corruption as long as it benefited them. This is nothing like Iceland and its insane risk-taking bankers. I have little sympathy.
Privatizing profits and socializing losses... The public has to pay also, but fairnes would be a nice gesture for once in these things.
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2010-05-04
, 17:17
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Joined on Feb 2010
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#17
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Originally Posted by jnwi
No one asked for any kind of sympathy. Greeks are going to pay for the sins of the past, even those who are not to blame for the situation. But this is a chance for all European people (and for all the western economies) to think that something is wrong with the system. It just leads to an unequal distribution of wealth, which will in turn lead to collapse of all the fragile economies out there. No European country lacks of deficit, it is just a matter of time for the next crisis to come up.
I have little sympathy.
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2010-05-04
, 17:19
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@ Sweden/ Austria
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#18
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We are planning to spend our honeymoon in Greece so I hope these strikes will be over soon.
The question is, which kind of EU do we want to have? If we think of it as a community of states working together I think it's our duty to help out. But of course there have to be rules equal to each and everyone, and a system of corruption and people not paying taxes doesn't fit in.
Not much talk about that here in Sweden anyway.
The question is, which kind of EU do we want to have? If we think of it as a community of states working together I think it's our duty to help out. But of course there have to be rules equal to each and everyone, and a system of corruption and people not paying taxes doesn't fit in.
Not much talk about that here in Sweden anyway.
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2010-05-04
, 17:22
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@ Arctic cold of northern .fi
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#19
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Originally Posted by saveas
I'm all for critisising the state of global capitalism, but the Greece crisis is more about a totally corrupt political system than global economics. The greek economy might be fragile, but most of Greece's current problems stem from decisions made by greek politicians, not bankers.
But this is a chance for all European people (and for all the western economies) to think that something is wrong with the system. It just leads to an unequal distribution of wealth, which will in turn lead to collapse of all the fragile economies out there.
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2010-05-04
, 17:41
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#20
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Originally Posted by Rauha
Indeed.The problem is the corrupt political system but also the mentality of Greek people.Massive lying when filing taxes and always trying to find ways to avoid paying the state.Obviously this doesn't apply to everybody, but a huge number of people were and still are acting like that.
I'm all for critisising the state of global capitalism, but the Greece crisis is more about a totally corrupt political system than global economics. The greek economy might be fragile, but most of Greece's current problems stem from decisions made by greek politicians, not bankers.
The "loan" is probably still worth it, though. But there had better be some very harsh terms.
And I'm wondering why nothing was done about this earlier. Surely the EU must have realized Greece was destabilizing the euro years before anything happened. Why didn't anyone act?
Us northern countries don't get away with breaking a single directive without it being a huge scandal. Any crap that comes our way is excused with "the EU says so, nothing we can do". We even have a "president" and "foreign minister" no one voted for!
Meanwhile the southern countries get away with murder. People are getting increasingly frustrated with the EU, and this kind of favoritism isn't helping.