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#21
Originally Posted by tarek757 View Post
Thank you zaoltryence..

So what i need now as i understood is to install the youtube enabler addon to play the youtube vedios from my nokia n900..
and the flash player will start playing.
I will do that and i will tell you what happend.
By the way i am using fire fox browser..
yup thats the way, if you want a smooth playback for flash player use the native microB browser instead.. its better than firefox as of now.. mine is silky smoothe overclocked it to 900mghz .. lol cheers
 

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Originally Posted by zaoltryence View Post
yup thats the way, if you want a smooth playback for flash player use the native microB browser instead.. its better than firefox as of now.. mine is silky smoothe overclocked it to 900mghz .. lol cheers
Thank you very much Zaoltryence,It worked for me

Now i have another question....How can i download the streaming video from the youtube,or any other website to my n900?
 
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Originally Posted by tarek757 View Post
Thank you very much Zaoltryence,It worked for me

Now i have another question....How can i download the streaming video from the youtube,or any other website to my n900?
you can use zoutube from extras repo on the app manager for downloading videos from youtube
 
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Originally Posted by vitaminj View Post
Oh ok, sorry. Can you please point me towards APIs supported across all HTML5 browsers that support, in an interoperable fashion between graphics, text and 3D:
[... lots of features ...]

No?

Ah.
Well, two things:

A) I don't know a single Flash site that features some sort of application which incorporates any of the more "exclusive" features. 99% of what is Flash at the moment - mostly video streaming, games, and "configurators" of all sorts for comercial sites and products - can easily be reproduced in HTML5 and javascript without anything fancy. If HTML5 is an alternative, it should be chosen over Flash, that's what I'm saying, and this holds true in almost all cases.

B) I think you're underestimating how capable HTML5 + Javascript is. We're only at the beginning, and already are there many interesting demos and applications. Just a few examples:

A large collection of examples is here (best viewed in Chrome/Chromium):
http://www.chromeexperiments.com

Decomposing a html5 video:
http://www.craftymind.com/factory/ht...nvasVideo.html

A very nice space shooter:
http://www.effectgames.com/effect/games/crystalgalaxy/

Impressive normal mapping:
http://29a.ch/2010/3/24/normal-mappi...and-canvas-tag

A very nice fractal demo:
http://onecm.com/projects/canopy/

A 3D-Demo:
http://deanm.github.com/pre3d/colorscube.html

Depth of field:
http://mrdoob.com/projects/chromeexp...epth_of_field/ (don't try this in firefox)


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You're probably thinking "Flash has been able to do any of this for a long time and quicker/better" and that might be true, but Flash has also been a pain in the butt for a long time, and in any case my two arguments remain. A) Almost anything made in the real world at the moment using Flash can be done in HTML5 + Javascript and B) Development is fast and powerful. An open standard with thousands of contributors quickly outgrows a puny technology like Flash.

As I said, if Flash is your tool of choice, you can stick with it, but in my opinion it's an abomination and has never given me anything but trouble. The linux version has been abysmal and still is lacking, and a closed standard for the web is unacceptable.

edit:
I forgot a slightly less relevant C): If you want to develop anything fancy, it should - imho - not be done in a browser anyway. If you're lazy and want to be cross platform, you can use Java. Or you can use python and be on a constant high while coding because it's just so god damn great. Still, you can do awesome web design and interactivity in HTML5. Most of the extra functionality in Flash is unneccessary and do not outweight the horror it brought us for years.
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Originally Posted by zaoltryence View Post
you can use zoutube from extras repo on the app manager for downloading videos from youtube
First of all i would like to thank for you making you tired..

But i wanted to ask if there is real player available for the n900..and if so,isn't the real player is suitable for downloading videos from youtube? keep in mind that the 1st. question is the main question..

thank you alot..

Last edited by tarek757; 2010-05-06 at 04:46.
 
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Originally Posted by shapeshifter View Post
Well, two things:

A) I don't know a single Flash site that features some sort of application which incorporates any of the more "exclusive" features. 99% of what is Flash at the moment - mostly video streaming, games, and "configurators" of all sorts for comercial sites and products - can easily be reproduced in HTML5 and javascript without anything fancy. If HTML5 is an alternative, it should be chosen over Flash, that's what I'm saying, and this holds true in almost all cases.
So check this out Flaemo

In many cases I agree with you even as Flash Developer but if you want to know my whole opinion check this subject please.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51957


For haXe and all its goodness I would rather abandon Adobe/Flash ship forever. You need to understand one thing. There is million flash developers on the market. This is something that matter. No matter what you thing about technology and how crap you think it is. Also because of limitation of the platform there is tone of good and very smart developers without programmer knowledge sometimes even better that no one with c++ or python. Some of them already porting their stuff to haXe as well.

This is one example http://lab.polygonal.de/ds/

And here why:
http://lab.polygonal.de/2009/12/11/updates-3/
http://lab.polygonal.de/

here is another example of famous in Flash world 3D engine
http://www.flashsandy.org/haxe
Guys already porting it to haXe.

Yes they still doing games and compiling them to swf. Playing in web browser, but using this same peace of code they can compile it to c++.

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I read through your lenghty post and I completely understand your point that there's a huge number of Flash developers who can produce good results in flash in a short period of time. HaXe seems like a good thing. With it, at least code isn't "lost" by only being able to run using Flash. Still, I defend my position that - if possible - something different to Flash should be chosen to develop a web application. HTML5 and Javascript offer good functionality with fancy effects and an overall feel that satisfies most purposes.

Especially when someone who *doesn't* know Flash goes around asking where to start, I recommend staying away from it. As I said, and as you said - there are lots of Flash developers and this is what they know best. This doesn't change the fact that the technology itself has been a pain in the butt for a long time, is closed (HaXe doesn't count as opening up the Flash standard), and is not a "sane" choice.
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Originally Posted by zaoltryence View Post
you can use zoutube from extras repo on the app manager for downloading videos from youtube
no there aint any real player for n900, the native media player so far does everything the real player can do or even better without downloading youtube vids of couse, thats why there's an app called zoutube which works as ayoutube client for downloading its videos, take a look at app manager im sure it fits the deal
 
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Originally Posted by shapeshifter View Post
.. but Flash has also been a pain in the butt for a long time....
Hmm I belong the big majority of users:
Windows xp and nowadays Win 7
Computers:
PM 1,5GHz 512Mb
P4 3GHz 1Gb
Su7300 1,3GHz Gb

Only problems with flash what i have had are releated to fck up advertisements and badly designed car/band/product pages. On the other hand Youtube (Huge huge impact on internet overall) and other video pages and also little games work flawlessly. And have for years. Same thing with many of my friends who see me as huge nerd, which I´m not when we are talking about real nerds who really know about different OS and coding.

My point. It has been really nice ride to me and to my friends so care to elaborate what do you mean by pain in ***. Pain in Stallmans ***? Do not even start about telling how flash sucks on Linux because actually there is reasonable reason for it and that reason is user base.
 
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Originally Posted by shapeshifter View Post
Still, I defend my position that - if possible - something different to Flash should be chosen to develop a web application. HTML5 and Javascript offer good functionality with fancy effects and an overall feel that satisfies most purposes.
I would like to remember that even thought you could be smartest and cabable coder in the world and intelligent human being the only way this is going to go is by market. If flash is deployed on major share of computers and if it´s going to be accelerated and if devel-tools are made so easy that even brain-damaged 5-year-olds can use it. Ten success is probably quite evident. Saying that this is OS and gives you freedom to infinity to port it whatever and is good strategy means nothing when there is not enough developers. If you watched Adobes CEO interview where he discussed about Steves letter you will realize that they will keep pushing on making devel tools easier and give in future you way of porting stuff to different platforms.

Who knows if someday we do not anymore "need" flash but for near future it imo will lead on web apps.
 
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