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Originally Posted by twoboxen
I didn't mean it that way. I meant some iPhone apps are running on Android, meaning that they have been ported by the developers.
"iPhone-based apps run on Android".
ie http://www.android.com/market/#app=golfcard, for instance.
If Nokia wants their devices to be competitive in the market, they need to have a competitive stable of apps. Just like the early Macs had to be able to what the established competitor, ie Windows, could do.
Developers are going to balk at porting to 3 platforms, ie iPhone, Android and Meego, unless there is a lot of commonality and its easy to port.
The best would be if developers used Qt on all these platforms. Symbian also supports Qt apps...
Porting an API is probably much easier than everyone porting all their apps ?
One way or another, the "apps" issue has to be addressed. I don't think that Nokia wants to get into the business of developing golf applications in order to sell their phones. That means the development community must be willing to do it and Nokia must do whatever it takes to ensure that happens.
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Originally Posted by leetut
Probably no. Care to look how cell phone market work in USA. IIRC Texrat had quite good blog post about this.
and forget the usa market, make awesome products that actually work, and the usa buyers will come to them
simples!
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2010-05-06
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Originally Posted by me2000
Dead platform. Have you checked out market shares lately? Also QT and games+apps coming on N8 so to my eyes it looks bit different. Care to back your facts with some data.
And its useless. Total waste of money.
Symbian is and has been a dead platform for a while. Once Nokia bought Symbian everyone one else dropped it or tried to.
Fact is that there is at least TWO different markets that have submarkets. Things aren't so simple as some people might think they are. Of course we as citizen of developed country fail to think/see what happens elswhere in world.
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Originally Posted by me2000
So you're left with a few options...
Developers are going to balk at porting to 3 platforms, ie iPhone, Android and Meego, unless there is a lot of commonality and its easy to port.
The best would be if developers used Qt on all these platforms. Symbian also supports Qt apps...
Porting an API is probably much easier than everyone porting all their apps ?
1. Have Apple/OHA(Android) support Qt (and have iPhone/Android apps re-written based on Qt)
2. Have Nokia try to implement (or reverse engineer in the iPhone's case) the frameworks required. Being that Android is mostly open source, that may be possible, but probably not worth the time.
3. Ideally, have Android complete their NDK to allow 100% native development. That would be AWESOME. However, unlikely at this point.
if #3 were to happen, a "bridge" API could be written for each framework (essential what Qt does to work with the same code for its supported OS's) so a single code base would work. Actually, if Qt devs would add Android as a supported OS, that would be sweet. Without a full NDK, though, it's a huge task. iPhone support would be unlikely, yet technically easier as many of the frameworks are identical to the OSX frameworks (not ALL, but many). It would be unlikely due to Apple's defensive stance of their code (see: flash SDKs that work on the iPhone, but agreements that prevent its use).
Regardless, many apps will have to be rewritten in Qt. Aside from that, if Nokia invested in Qt ports to Android and Apple we'd be good from here forward if devs leverage it.
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Originally Posted by me2000
I shudder at the degree of ignorance on display in this thread. So Symbian is a dead platform ? A platform that runs on more phones than that of the nearest 3 competing platforms combined?.
And its useless. Total waste of money.
Symbian is and has been a dead platform for a while. Once Nokia bought Symbian everyone one else dropped it or tried to.
Only Apple can get buy in from the development community with a proprietary OS. That is the beauty of Meego. Its collaborative and the installed platform is going to be huge.
Meego is unproven, Symbian has been there and done that and is by far the most pervasive and functional of the lot. All it needs is a bit of makeover and Symbian 3 will deliver that. Nokia is not going anywhere. It has been KING for 12 years and despite the noise of ignorant US bloggers , its reign will continue. Pls dont be so ignorant.
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Originally Posted by slender
Dont mind him. Probable a gizmodo reader.
Dead platform. Have you checked out market shares lately? Also QT and games+apps coming on N8 so to my eyes it looks bit different. Care to back your facts with some data.
Fact is that there is at least TWO different markets that have submarkets. Things aren't so simple as some people might think they are. Of course we as citizen of developed country fail to think/see anything else than what happens elswhere.
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Originally Posted by me2000
You all are missing the point with regards to apps. Adobe will play a key role here in the shape of AIR. Apps written for AIR will run on all supported platforms. Nokia is a member of the OpenScreenProject so AIR for Symbian is probably in the works.
I didn't mean it that way. I meant some iPhone apps are running on Android, meaning that they have been ported by the developers.
ie http://www.android.com/market/#app=golfcard, for instance.
If Nokia wants their devices to be competitive in the market, they need to have a competitive stable of apps. Just like the early Macs had to be able to what the established competitor, ie Windows, could do.
Developers are going to balk at porting to 3 platforms, ie iPhone, Android and Meego, unless there is a lot of commonality and its easy to port.
The best would be if developers used Qt on all these platforms. Symbian also supports Qt apps...
Porting an API is probably much easier than everyone porting all their apps ?
One way or another, the "apps" issue has to be addressed. I don't think that Nokia wants to get into the business of developing golf applications in order to sell their phones. That means the development community must be willing to do it and Nokia must do whatever it takes to ensure that happens.
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Originally Posted by Enyibinakata
Yeah, it'll be right up there with Flash Lite. Pass.
You all are missing the point with regards to apps. Adobe will play a key role here in the shape of AIR. Apps written for AIR will run on all supported platforms. Nokia is a member of the OpenScreenProject so AIR for Symbian is probably in the works.
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i had the company wrong but I knew Nokia would need to join forces with some big company. It's over for nokia they will drop to about 18-22% marketshare, the time for the rebound has pasted. People expected big things from the n97 perfectly design but the hardware sucked as it is too underpowered, so any software improvements are minimal at best the device has no longevity.
They then go and make the N900 again underpowered but this hardware is the best they've stuck into a device, runs linux so people are excited. But then they cause a bunch of hooplah about the software upgrades making most (who bought) uneasy some even angry.
HP buying Palm, if they get it together palm people developing webos while HP's people make the hardware. I can't imagine them releasing one device at a time, but they will definately attack the low end. About the time hp has this together we should see the results of nokia's efforts as well.
win mob 7 has time to get win mob 7 improved as nokia makes their improvements. The kin shows what they are aiming at.
android- severly attacking the high end with htc's help and if recent moves are any indication google doesn't even acknowledge nokia as a competitor, they are going head to head with apple, once you get a slice of the high end squashing the low end is easy. So when it comes at nokia it'll be swift because nokia is so slow to respond and really far behind the curve
apple I hate apple but they are suceeding imo because of marketing but they are scared and the lawsuits are a tell they want to patent the unpatentable concepts but can't move forward without others patents thus the lawsuits in hopes of resulting in a patent exchange
with all this competition Nokia won't bounce back without flawless execution. I have no confidence as of now they can do whats necessary, shame too they make decent phones they just need to support them better.
They then go and make the N900 again underpowered but this hardware is the best they've stuck into a device, runs linux so people are excited. But then they cause a bunch of hooplah about the software upgrades making most (who bought) uneasy some even angry.
HP buying Palm, if they get it together palm people developing webos while HP's people make the hardware. I can't imagine them releasing one device at a time, but they will definately attack the low end. About the time hp has this together we should see the results of nokia's efforts as well.
win mob 7 has time to get win mob 7 improved as nokia makes their improvements. The kin shows what they are aiming at.
android- severly attacking the high end with htc's help and if recent moves are any indication google doesn't even acknowledge nokia as a competitor, they are going head to head with apple, once you get a slice of the high end squashing the low end is easy. So when it comes at nokia it'll be swift because nokia is so slow to respond and really far behind the curve
apple I hate apple but they are suceeding imo because of marketing but they are scared and the lawsuits are a tell they want to patent the unpatentable concepts but can't move forward without others patents thus the lawsuits in hopes of resulting in a patent exchange
with all this competition Nokia won't bounce back without flawless execution. I have no confidence as of now they can do whats necessary, shame too they make decent phones they just need to support them better.
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"iPhone-based apps run on Android". Out of curiousity, are you a developer? If not, you can be forgiven, as most people might not know how apps are actually written for specific APIs for specific platforms with specific languages. If you are a developer, please re-read my post a few up.