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2010-05-06 , 17:40
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#41
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Yeah, it'll be right up there with Flash Lite. Pass.
Oh God, agreed. Personally, I'm not sure that I like Flash (or ANY of Adobe's garbage) on my phone device (hence why I liked NOT having a cellular phone in my N800 and didn't mind Flash on it). With all this talk of Flash coming to Android, I'm going to hope they make it a separate and installable app and not force it on me as part of an OS upgrade.

As for Adobe's AIR... even on the desktop... I tried it. I was not impressed. Not at all. DO NOT WANT.
 

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2010-05-06 , 17:46
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Originally Posted by kojacker View Post
Yeah, it'll be right up there with Flash Lite. Pass.
Have you used AIR before or seen it in action? Ignorant.
 
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#43
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Have you used AIR before or seen it in action? Ignorant.
Prejudiced much? You claim he's ignorant before he even gets to answer. I, for one, have tried it. It was garbage and rife with issues. If anyone appears ignorant now, it might be you.
 

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You guess incorrectly. Though you can kinda leverage JNI to use native code in an Android app (my Android apps use it, since I wrote the core engine in c... to make it work well with the iPhone, Qt, etc), most people don't, because it's a pain. Nearly all of the Android apps are 100% Java. So basically, you have to re-implement almost everything, and that isn't even considering the OS API differences--merely your logic.
If you continue with this attitude, and you're a decent software developer, you'll leave easy money on the table. Some of the good software houses are supporting 5 mobile OS's; the minimum is 2. Go the extra mile and continue to abstract your solutions. Take what's yours. If you can't handle the reality that there's more than one OS out there, you might want to move aside before you get flattened. Java, iPhone OS, Symbian, and anything GNU/Linux based, all have solid underpinnings (and some shared [OpenGL ES]), and it seems they all will be here for a while.

Porting is fun. If you don't feel that way, you might be in the wrong arena. Regardless of what you think about the U.S. Military, one of the Marine Corps' mantras applies here:

"Improvise, Adapt and Overcome"
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If you continue with this attitude, and you're a decent software developer, you'll leave easy money on the table. Some of the good software houses are supporting 5 mobile OS's; the minimum is 2. Go the extra mile and continue to abstract your solutions. Take what's yours. If you can't handle the reality that there's more than one OS out there, you might want to move aside before you get flattened. Java, iPhone OS, Symbian, and anything GNU/Linux based, all have solid underpinnings (and some shared [OpenGL ES]), and it seems they all will be here for a while.

Porting is fun. If you don't feel that way, you might be in the wrong arena. Regardless of what you think about the U.S. Military, one of the Marine Corps' mantras applies here:

"Improvise, Adapt and Overcome"
FYI I wrote my own engine that supports (not the complete API, but enough) for a single code base to build on iPhone, Android, Maemo, WinMo, Mac, Linux, Windows, JavaSE, etc. I use OpenGL(ES), OpenAL (when supported, other sound tools otherwise) all wrapping my own widgets.

I hardly make any money from all this, since it was a night hobby before I had my first kid last year. Now I just program in my day job and collect VERY SMALL amounts of passive income from that hobby.

Attitude. pssshh. I imagine I'm a lot closer to these issues than most--including you.
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2010-05-06 , 18:49
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#46
Originally Posted by danramos View Post
Prejudiced much? You claim he's ignorant before he even gets to answer. I, for one, have tried it. It was garbage and rife with issues. If anyone appears ignorant now, it might be you.

I use Tweet Deck and NYTimes on windows and it looks and feels good plus works a charm. So I know what I am talking about. I wont dismiss Adobe just because Jobs does, I have a mind of my own.

Which AIR apps have you used exactly ?.

ignorance [ˈɪgnərəns]
n
lack of knowledge, information, or education; the state of being ignorant

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ignorance
 
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This is an interesting document to read:

Nokia's Software Strategy

Look at the diagram on the first page. Meego doesn't look like anyone's saviour, up there in the top right corner.

Here's a slightly different version of the same graph, from a presentation I attended earlier this week. Same message; Meego is a niche OS, Symbian and Series 40 are going to be running on most of Nokia's hardware.

(EDIT: What the heck does the "Rational <--> Aspirational" axis mean?! )

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(EDIT: What the heck does the "Rational <--> Aspirational" axis mean?! )
"What we think will happen" <--> "What we want to happen"
 

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@qole: uhhh... MeeGo is definitely NOT rational according to that graph.
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(This was another edit to the first post, but that isn't the right way to do it, so here it is in its own post)

RE: The pink stuff to the right of Meego's red blob... Do they think they're saying that there will be high-end Symbian devices that are even more "Aspirational" than MeeGo? And what do you think that little triangle in the top right is? "No devices made here"?
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