I am a C++/Qt programmer. Wanted to compile for my n900 the text editor i'm coding (cross-plaform). Oh, wait i can't run it because somebody thought it was wise to update SDK and buildbots(or whatever) with versions of qt that are not yet available....

I want to connect to my university's wifi. FAIL. Someone already reported the bug(certman s*c*s). It is FIXED in bugtracker, but oh, wait, icannot connect anyways because someone thought that user can enjoy bugs while waiting for shiny new features.
Thinking that n900 is mostly open so maybe only modem stuff, 3d and nolo are closed, i try to fix it. Oh noes, i can't -> certman is closed. So i'm asking nokia:wtf do you hide in a plain certificate manager?!

Sorry, The world doesn't revolve around you. If you LINK to an article that spells out why you're here, despite not owning an N900, or just answer the f***ing question for a change, great. But I don't have time or inclination to go back and search for/read every post you've ever posted here.

Gerbick at least answered (eventually) that he was here because he owned an N800 and was looking at the N900 as an option. Why he's still here is unclear, since he's clearly made up his mind, but that's another issue.

You on the other hand simply say in your sig that you're "waiting for android". I say, wait no more. The Incredible has pretty much identical hardware, and runs Android. The port for N900 isn't going to be here any time soon, and even once it is it won't be as stable as running on a device made for/shipped with it.

Um, forgive the intrusion... but I actually own a 770 and N810. And I'm active in the Maemo4 areas. Hit my last 50+ posts and most are in the N8x0 and Maemo4 areas.

And who knows. I might get that N900 once the price is where I'd like it. But not right now.

I'm here... I help folks... and I'm doing a new version of my "save space" version for the N810 US_EN guide. That's why I'm here... in a Maemo forum.

Believe it or not, but Nokia actually GPLed the applet for a while and they then took it down. I had the source due to my archivals of r.m.o but, due to space issues, I deleted it. Stupid, I know. Like **** if Nokia make a mistake like that again.

That may not be your intent, but by saying they can't delay PR 1.2 when bugs are found in testing (which clearly they have, we have a Nokia person saying that now), you are advocating for it to be released with bugs. Clearly, when you say:

Unless those new bugs are more serious than existing ones. Hey, they fixed that bug with the camera, and now it can do video at 45FPS in high res, except it burns out your DSP if you film for more than 10 minutes. Opps... Sorry, that's not a release I want. Bugs are not isolated little pixy islands unto themselves. You should know that, having been a developer (so you state).

You are assuming they're not doing any testing? That there's not a group of people that already have PR 1.2 doing testing (which we know for a fact is going on), based on those bugs? Just because you submit a bug doesn't mean you have to do the testing for fixes. If you detail a bug well enough, they can reproduce it and test against it without your help. If what you were saying were true for all things, Apple would never fix anything, since clearly they don't let anyone who files bugs test them.


No, it doesn't. You may think it does, but it doesn't. Having an open bug tracker means you can file bugs directly and know that they're being worked on. Beats the heck of of the "valued input" Apple seeks, not having a bug submission method to speak of IMHO. But just because it's marked fixed doesn't imply it's going to be available on some certain date.

Because the device, as it is, is utterly useless? You have a great device, and just like all other devices, it has bugs. Nokia has been very diligent in releasing fixes, and has already released twice as many updates as most similar devices see in a year.

What are you basing the idea that there should be monthly updates on? No other device does this, and they've never specified a date for when the next update will be out. What killed things is the random speculation that it was going to be out on a particular date. Nokia has never said "it will be out next week", ever.

Really? No, they normally don't. Updates 1 and 2 were a complete surprise when they hit. In fact, they wound up bricking about 2% of the phones they updated without warning, which caused quite a stink. Even with 4.0, they haven't given a firm date for what I've read.

As for caring about customer feedback, I know that's not really true either. Where's their bug tracker? What if I don't want iAds on my phone? You're making up your own little world in your head... Proclaiming the grass is greener on the other side without actually having been there.

All of this reminds me of a visit from a Russian friend of mine back in the 90s. He was quite upset to see that our streets were paved with tar, not the gold he had imagined in his head. He was also disappointed that there were lines for the rides at the amusement park, as he had be told there were never any lines here in the US for anything. Instead of being happy for the things we did have, he left more depressed because he had unrealistic expectations that were not met. I can't help but draw parallels to most people complaining here about PR 1.2.

LOL! Thought you blocked me?

Yes, totally valid reasons for being here. Though you have to admit it took you a while to mention either fact in our last discussion.

I really have no gripe against people that want to see things changed. I would love to see PR 1.2 go through an iteration in extras-devel or extras-testing like most software, even if some of it is closed-source packages. That would let developers develop (albeit against a moving target), and allow common users to not have to worry about getting bugs in their bug fixes for the most part.

I just don't get why people are so up tight and screaming that Nokia isn't supporting the device when clearly they still are. I get that some people are holding off because they'd be missing features they're used to having right now. But when people are pining for stuff never offered (like Android), and bad mouthing the device to people coming to the forum to ask a question about the phone, I just have to wonder why....

I was talked out of it by other, long-standing members.

...um, thanks for the validation? You could easily have searched and seen that besides my typical go against the N900 grain banter, I'm curious about it; meanwhile I have a N810 that I still use daily and wish to make... even better. This is the place for that. Sometimes, searching, then reading is fundamental.

I think you're overlooking that people have been saying that Nokia is uncommunicative first. Again... that's because mainly I've been here longer I guess... because that's what I see is the problem first and foremost. Will it always be true? I hope not. As far as support, I can't comment. I just know that the communication is not as open as it should be.

That's called doing good research... and sticking close to the source. I'm quite guilty of that. Going after those that do so... I can't fathom why anybody would. At least they're not part of the "I PAID 2 BILLION DOLLARS FOR THIS, FIX IT NOKIA!" group.

The same way that I don't get why people coming to a forum for questions to be answered are met with general disgusting remarks and ownership questions when that doesn't belong either. Neither approach is without flaw...

Back to lurking...

@woody*

Nokia is supporting the n900, but they are doing it wrong.

Bugs come first, features later.

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I'm not validating anything. And yes, I could have searched, but by the same token, when I asked (and I did ask, several times), you could have answered. Assuming I even did a search on your name, since the most recent posts show first, I would have had to dig quite a while to find a non-N900 related post.

If I were sitting around in a bar with a cup of coffee talking about how bad the bar tender was, I'd expect to be asked why I was in the bar. If it was because I was nursing my coffee, and the bar was a coffee bar 2 hours ago and just started serving beer, I'd expect to have to mention that from time to time to new people. Especially if I'm sitting at the bar, railing against the beer or the bar tender to new patrons who just came in to get beer. I wouldn't expect the beer-enjoying patrons to go off and search for the coffee shop sign propped up against the wall in the storage closet behind me, or to magically know some how that this used to be a coffee house to which I was a patron.

No, I do get that, and to some degree that's a legitimate gripe. But to have it harped on for the 20 millionth time is a bit absurd, don't you think? I don't expect most companies to be communicative. I do wish Nokia was a little more open, I think we all would prefer that. But they're a company, not a co-op. Frankly I'm happy they've been as open as they have been, since most other companies keep all of their stuff quite secret and locked up until just before it's ready to launch.

I've never made disgusting remarks to anyone here asking questions. I've corrected people that were saying things that were patently untrue, or misleading, or representing themselves as an authority to people asking questions and giving false information. That's quite a different thing.

If you search and read my posts, as you seem to want me to do for you, you'll find I've answered several people's questions, quite politely, on several topics where I'm knowledgeable. I've joined in several discussions about changes and new apps, done lots of testing and feedback, and even on occasion had a discussion or two about opinions on how companies should operate. But I've never railed against a person coming into the forum and asking a question.

My main point of contention is when someone says something untrue, or something that can easily be misinterpreted by someone new to the forum. A clear example is the whole MMS debate we had earlier. People asking "Does the phone do MMS?" clearly want to know if it can be setup to get and send MMS messages. When someone answers "NO" to a question like that, it upsets me because I know it can. It upsets me more when I say, "Yes you can, there's an app for that" and the person reprimands me and claims I'm not being honest. Even more so when it spawns a snarky debate about wording and how the device doesn't support MMS, an app does, as if apps are somehow magical pixies totally unrelated to the device.

There's a far cry between answering a question and correcting (or "clarifying") an answer that's misleading or false. And even doing that once or twice generally won't get me going. You have to be quite insistingly negative and repeatedly spreading misinformation to earn my venom. Only 2 or 3 people here have gotten me to that point here.