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2010-05-13
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Most things are correct. But it's still the best phone out there imho.
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2010-05-13
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While I agree that several of the OP issues are either "by design" or "personal experience" it isn't a bad list. Once 1.2 is out, we should strike out the resolved items. Here are my comments
- general - number the list from the top, not i, ii per each subheading, for easy comments
Also, since this is for NEW purchases we should be assuming FW 1.1 at least, old issues resolved since then need not be rehashed here.
Hardware
i) the screen is resistive, all resistive screens scratch, so this is not an issue of the 900. The takeaway here is "use a screen protector on any device with a resistive screen." In MY experience, from a long history of HTC/WinMo Resistive screen devices, if anything the n900 is LESS susceptible to scratching. Still, I have a protector on mine.
ii) yep this was true and was supposed to be fixed in future runs. I have an early run device, and *with care* still have a fully functional usb port.
iii) preference, not an Issue. Suggest striking.
Battery
battery lasts as expected. Non issue.
Interface/OS
i) addressed LONG ago, strike
ii) user dependent, strike
iii) by design, not an issue, strike
iv) hard to quantify - it's not an "issue" as in something that prevents you from accomplishing a task or function. Maybe we could have "annoyance" for this kind of thing?
v) same as iv
vi) same as v
vii) same as vi
viii) same as vii (ie, "performance" annoyances are subjective, and possible on any device from iPhone to Palm WebOS to Android to Maemo)
ix) by design, not an issue. File under "annoyance" or "things we wish it did, but doesn't do"?
Maps/Nav
Annoyance not issue. There are plenty of platforms where you have to buy turn by turn nav. This is one.
Ovi Store
Yep. Check back after 1.2
Media Player
i) dependent on encoding used on media, annoyance not issue
ii) apparently this depends on the id3 tag format used on your media.
iii) yep
iv) yep
v) annoyance
vi) annoyance (sorry, its not an iPhone, and Apple does NOT allow 3rd parties to play with iTunes. Sucks. Buy an iPhone)
vii) annoyance
viii) you have a few of these in here, and I'm not sure they belong. Maybe a third section "things some people sometime may have had happen"?
ix) yep
Email
i) yep
ii) hemmm... not sure about this. MfE (which is what you would use if you have exchange) has no delay. The FREE, BETA Nokia Messaging doesn't have a SLA. If you use iMAP or POP, you can decide to burn as much battery as you like to get messages every 1, 5, 10, etc minutes. Annoyance at best.
Phone
i) sure, but its an annoyance or feature you want not one that is promised but not working
ii) this is True, and one hopes Will Be Added but again, like (i) is NOT a promised feature that isn't working...
iii) see ii
iv) "pretty poor" - annoyance
v) goes under "stuff that may have happened to someone somewhere"
vi) see v
vii) annoyance since it is working as designed
viii) annoyance
ix) YES actual issue
x) annoyance since MMS is not a feature that is supposed to be supplied
Special Issues
i) not sure why, I get calls just fine. Can you elaborate?
ii) goes under "stuff that may have happened to someone somewhere"
Feel free to do what you wish with the feedback, but do try and understand what I am saying.
I find you have a handful of actual issues, a lot of annoyances (things that don't work like you want, or features you wish were there that are not) a couple of OLD issues from release 1.0 firmware that are long gone, and a few very isolated issues a small number of people report.
Still, good effort.
- general - number the list from the top, not i, ii per each subheading, for easy comments
Also, since this is for NEW purchases we should be assuming FW 1.1 at least, old issues resolved since then need not be rehashed here.Hardware
i) the screen is resistive, all resistive screens scratch, so this is not an issue of the 900. The takeaway here is "use a screen protector on any device with a resistive screen." In MY experience, from a long history of HTC/WinMo Resistive screen devices, if anything the n900 is LESS susceptible to scratching. Still, I have a protector on mine.
ii) yep this was true and was supposed to be fixed in future runs. I have an early run device, and *with care* still have a fully functional usb port.
iii) preference, not an Issue. Suggest striking.
Battery
battery lasts as expected. Non issue.
Interface/OS
i) addressed LONG ago, strike
ii) user dependent, strike
iii) by design, not an issue, strike
iv) hard to quantify - it's not an "issue" as in something that prevents you from accomplishing a task or function. Maybe we could have "annoyance" for this kind of thing?
v) same as iv
vi) same as v
vii) same as vi
viii) same as vii (ie, "performance" annoyances are subjective, and possible on any device from iPhone to Palm WebOS to Android to Maemo)
ix) by design, not an issue. File under "annoyance" or "things we wish it did, but doesn't do"?
Maps/Nav
Annoyance not issue. There are plenty of platforms where you have to buy turn by turn nav. This is one.
Ovi Store
Yep. Check back after 1.2
Media Player
i) dependent on encoding used on media, annoyance not issue
ii) apparently this depends on the id3 tag format used on your media.
iii) yep
iv) yep
v) annoyance
vi) annoyance (sorry, its not an iPhone, and Apple does NOT allow 3rd parties to play with iTunes. Sucks. Buy an iPhone)
vii) annoyance
viii) you have a few of these in here, and I'm not sure they belong. Maybe a third section "things some people sometime may have had happen"?
ix) yep
i) yep
ii) hemmm... not sure about this. MfE (which is what you would use if you have exchange) has no delay. The FREE, BETA Nokia Messaging doesn't have a SLA. If you use iMAP or POP, you can decide to burn as much battery as you like to get messages every 1, 5, 10, etc minutes. Annoyance at best.
Phone
i) sure, but its an annoyance or feature you want not one that is promised but not working
ii) this is True, and one hopes Will Be Added but again, like (i) is NOT a promised feature that isn't working...
iii) see ii
iv) "pretty poor" - annoyance
v) goes under "stuff that may have happened to someone somewhere"
vi) see v
vii) annoyance since it is working as designed
viii) annoyance
ix) YES actual issue
x) annoyance since MMS is not a feature that is supposed to be supplied
Special Issues
i) not sure why, I get calls just fine. Can you elaborate?
ii) goes under "stuff that may have happened to someone somewhere"
Feel free to do what you wish with the feedback, but do try and understand what I am saying.
I find you have a handful of actual issues, a lot of annoyances (things that don't work like you want, or features you wish were there that are not) a couple of OLD issues from release 1.0 firmware that are long gone, and a few very isolated issues a small number of people report.
Still, good effort.
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2010-05-13
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Just some comments to a few points here, or linking to corresponding bug reports for the records and other interested folks...
In general: Thanks for the list. An interesting summary, and something worth to forward to some Nokia "deciders".
Feel free to vote for it by clicking "Vote for this bug".
I think I haven't heard of it before (or I cannot remember)...
Patch is being tested internally...
In general: Thanks for the list. An interesting summary, and something worth to forward to some Nokia "deciders".
Originally Posted by etuoyo
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6334 was fixed already in a public release, but there are still reasons left, e.g. see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8787 .
(i) Some devices randomly restart.
Originally Posted by etuoyo
For me it's never been a couple of seconds, but less than a second. Current behaviour is because of performance (not updating the screen when it is not shown anyway).
(vii) The screen does not refresh automatically for some reason. If the screen goes off (battery saver) when you wake it up it will show for a couple of seconds exactly what it was showing before it went to sleep. So if the time was 14.50 then and is now 16.30 it will initially show 14.50. Or if you are listening to music it will show the song details of the song that was playing before the screen went off.
Originally Posted by etuoyo
If this refers to "officially supported" audio formats this sounds like a bug. Feel free to file a ticket in bugs.maemo.org and attach an example music file (or send it via email to me in case of copyright issues as bugs.maemo.org is totally public).
(iii) Some album art do not show even though embedded.
Originally Posted by etuoyo
Again, sounds like a bug. If you see any pattern a ticket is welcome.
(iv) Tracker which updates media file info is very often defective. You can add media files and they not show up in the media player for a week.
Originally Posted by etuoyo
Planned for Harmattan it seems, plus 3rd party software is being worked on - see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1890
(vii) Currently no equaliser though I don't see much point in an equaliser but just be aware there is none in the media player.
Originally Posted by etuoyo
In most cases it seems to be related to other desktop widgets installed. See the status/progress in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5894 and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9192 .
(viii) The play button on the media player widget does not work for some.
Originally Posted by etuoyo
I asked in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10065 to report it in maemo.org Brainstorm but cannot find the ticket.
(ix) No way to stretch to full screen in the default media player (though mplayer a third party app will do so).
Originally Posted by etuoyo
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5502 .
(i) There is no easy way to search your emails.
Feel free to vote for it by clicking "Vote for this bug".
Originally Posted by etuoyo
Uh? Any quotes/URLs, or a bug number for this one?
(v) For some it randomly goes to speaker mode whilst you are on the phone.
I think I haven't heard of it before (or I cannot remember)...
Originally Posted by etuoyo
If that's true it sounds like a huge problem to me. Haven't heard that before. Again, care to file a ticket in bugs.maemo.org?
(i) If playing video I cannot receive calls.
Originally Posted by etuoyo
See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7772 .
(ii) Sometimes the phone rings with a blank screen for a few seconds so no way to answer the phone. I know a few others have had this issue but not sure how wide spread it is.
Patch is being tested internally...
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2010-05-13
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Originally Posted by Texrat
The device screen has gotten scratched for me, in my work and normal clothes. I got a Nokia carrying pouch for it and I strongly recomend it to anyone who doesn't want a screen protector
While I'm glad to see this sort of approach, parts of the starter post looks more like personal experience/opinion than an objective description. One example is the claim of screen scratching. I'm not debating this from a "never happened to me so can't happen" standpoint (that's a logical fallacy) but on the other hand it hasn't happened to me despite the fact that (and I admit this with some embarrassment) I have not taken proper care of my screen and yet still not a single scratch. In fact my device has been dropped to concrete a couple of times.
However, I did get some scratches on an N800 and here's what I discovered: dirt and dust can contain traces of extremely hard minerals, including diamond. One tiny speck getting stuck to a stylus point can do significant damage.
So I would certainly caution people as you have, and screen protectors can be a very good idea. Same for wiping the screen and stylus tip before using them. I just think including additional context in a complaint is helpful too. In this case, the issue is not one of hardware but contamination and poor handling. The N900 screen is actually very resilient.
That said, you're providing a great service here etuoyo, thanks.
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2010-05-13
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Originally Posted by Parody
Good advice in general but be advised: IF static is the issue (and it's my first guess here based on experience), this solution could actually be part of the problem if no screen protector is used. If dust is on the screen or the inside pouch surface, inserting/removing the device can cause scratching.
The device screen has gotten scratched for me, in my work and normal clothes. I got a Nokia carrying pouch for it and I strongly recomend it to anyone who doesn't want a screen protector
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2010-05-13
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The consensus among early users of the N900 (before screen protection became nearly universal IMHO) was that the N900 screen was lots easier to scratch than the earlier tablets.
And an irrelevant aside. My N800 has scratches and my N810 doesn't. Neither had screen protectors. They both got the shoddy treatment I generally give my tablets.
And an irrelevant aside. My N800 has scratches and my N810 doesn't. Neither had screen protectors. They both got the shoddy treatment I generally give my tablets.
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2010-05-13
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Originally Posted by geneven
Interesting. I had not seen such a consensus. And I'm puzzled at how my experience has been exactly the opposite (unless, again, static is the culprit).
The consensus among early users of the N900 (before screen protection became nearly universal IMHO) was that the N900 screen was lots easier to scratch than the earlier tablets.
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2010-05-13
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Would be good if we could create ROMS with programs installed and aspects tweaked like in Windows Mobile.
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2010-05-13
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I've beat the crap out of N900 before I finally got an Otterbox. It held up fairly well with only a couple little knicks on the right hand side of the screen and a couple of VERY light scratches in the middle area.
I've dropped it numerous times and even left it in my pocket for about 20 minutes playing some football in the park.. fell on it and remembered it. It took a pretty solid beating then too.
It's tough indirectly. But now with the Otterbox I think it's damn near indestructible.
I've dropped it numerous times and even left it in my pocket for about 20 minutes playing some football in the park.. fell on it and remembered it.
It took a pretty solid beating then too.It's tough indirectly. But now with the Otterbox I think it's damn near indestructible.
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2010-05-13
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I wish these points could be edited to match reality:
thank you!
Originally Posted by etuoyo
There must be something to scratch the screen, right? yes the screen is scratch prone but the scratches doesn't appear nowhere like baby jesus was born...
(i)The screen scratches more easily than capacitive screens. I have two very large scratches on my screen despite making sure I put absolutely nothing in the same pocket as the N900. Be sure you use a screen protector because no matter how careful you are the screen may get scratched.
Originally Posted by etuoyo
many is the worst word one could possibly have put there...
(ii) There is a serious manufacturing defect with the micro-usb socket of many of the N900s.
Originally Posted by etuoyo
isn't this obivous if you have looked more than one picture from the device?
(iii) Only three row keyboard layout so you need to use alternate for the numbers keys.
Originally Posted by etuoyo
I get 10+ hours with facebook + gtalk. so imo that should be mentioned: better protocol - double the battery duration
Battery
If you do not have IM accounts turned on then the battery should easily last you through the day. However, with some IM accounts (not sure which are the culprits but yahoo and msn seem to be amongst) you should generally expect around 6 hours use on average. Not really an issue specific to the N900 though - Engagdet's review of the HTC Desire says they had 6 hours with similar use.
Originally Posted by etuoyo
these are called defect units. these should be replaced asap. (you can get a brand new if you return the device within xx days at least in Finland)
(i) Some devices randomly restart.
Originally Posted by etuoyo
depends fully what you are running and what not. and what do you concider smooth anyway?
(ii) The transition between the four desktops is far from smooth.
Originally Posted by etuoyo
then why in the heavens name you don't use iTunes?!?! it can be used with any device cabable mounting to your PC as an usb stick....
(vi) No proper functioning software to sync with your PC the way itunes syncs perfectly with iphone. You can use drag and drop but that is only helpful for the first sync of all your music and when you add new songs to your PC and are sure exactly what the news songs are and can just drag and drop them. There is Ovi Music but it does not work with the N900. Third party PC software programmes can sync but many of them just sync to the main documents folder or the main music folder rather than in an organised manner (via artist, album artist, etc) and so create a huge mess and will kill your use of file manager. You may get something to work properly but will be quite an effort compared to using itunes and iphone.
Originally Posted by etuoyo
will be fixed when PR1.2 is released.
(ix) Cannot dial numbers starting with * or # without the use of a third party widget so without the third party widget you are unable to top up your credit or check your balance in certain countries.
thank you!
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