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2010-05-14
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One major thing, that was a big disappointment for me, is missing SIM toolkit support. So no SIM apps on N900, which cripples internet banking here a lot. When I bought mine, I did not know that phones without SIM TK support exist anymore, it is a feature present on very old models, not even smartphones.
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2010-05-14
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Originally Posted by baxyp
Thanks have edited it in (though I have no idea what it means). Have seen that issue mentioned a few times during my time here. Have a look to see if it covers the issue adequately. It is number 14 on the list. Maybe we could add the country you are based as an example of affected territories.
One major thing, that was a big disappointment for me, is missing SIM toolkit support. So no SIM apps on N900, which cripples internet banking here a lot. When I bought mine, I did not know that phones without SIM TK support exist anymore, it is a feature present on very old models, not even smartphones.
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Originally Posted by etuoyo
I'm just seeing "mission creep" here, which is a common problem in these "common issue" threads.
Okay what word would you like me to replace Issues with in the Heading? It is meant to be a comprehensive list of all possible negatives on the N900 so a potential buyer can see all the annoyances, major hardware defaults, minor software defaults, major software default. It then helps them to make an informed decision. On that basis it is not a question of deleting any of those things. Amending the heading is possibly the more appropriate thing so any suggestions will be appreciated.
They quickly devolve into "list of ways the n900 isn't a (Symbian | iPhone | Android) phone.
You could start the list with this notice
PART OF EDUCATING YOURSELF BEFORE PURCHASE IS TO READ THE PRODUCT SPEC HERE (with a link) FOR THE FULL LIST OF FEATURES THE PRODUCT CLAIMS IT HAS. THE LIST BELOW ENUMERATES ISSUES WITH THOSE CLAIMED FEATURES. IF YOU WANT A FEATURE THAT IS NOT ON THIS LIST, BUT IS ON A (Symbian | iPhone | Android) PHONE, THEN YOU NOW KNOW THAT FEATURE IS NOT AVAILABLE ON THIS PHONE, AND HAVE EDUCATED YOURSELF. IF SAID FEATURE IS CRITICAL TO YOUR USE/ENJOYMENT OF THE PHONE, THEN YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO CONSIDER THE N900.
That will eliminate about half of the "issues" that follow.
Otherwise, you're just whining about stuff you wish was there, but wasn't and was never claimed to be there. As this list is supposedly to educate a potential buyer to HIDDEN issues, not features that differ from (Symbian | iPhone | Android) phones, it keeps the list on target and also keeps the discussion from devolving into a whine-fest.
You could make a second section of "STUFF YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT BY COMPARING FEATURE TABLES TO OTHER PHONES, BUT IN CASE YOU CAN'T WE HAVE SUMMARIZED THEM HERE" that lists all the ways that Maemo Is Not Symbain, iPhone, or Android OS.
I just suggest you keep to your original mission, which was great.
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2010-05-14
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I did read most of the thread and searched for AT&T and ATT before posting this.
I think people in the U.S. should be aware that the hardware does not support AT&T's 3G frequencies. This is knowable by a careful (and I do mean careful) reading of the specs but some people might be surprised when they by the phone. I find that the 2G support is not so bad and is able to keep up with most internet radio streams for instance (I generally don't stream video to the device). But nonetheless, it could come as a surprise.
Fred
I think people in the U.S. should be aware that the hardware does not support AT&T's 3G frequencies. This is knowable by a careful (and I do mean careful) reading of the specs but some people might be surprised when they by the phone. I find that the 2G support is not so bad and is able to keep up with most internet radio streams for instance (I generally don't stream video to the device). But nonetheless, it could come as a surprise.
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2010-05-14
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Originally Posted by etuoyo
I think your description is ok. I'm from Estonia, we have a system called "Mobiil ID" (Mobile ID), which is used by a number of internet services (public institutions, e-banks, etc.) to authenticate people. Part of it is a sim application on a sim card. It does not work without sim toolkit support in the phone.
Thanks have edited it in (though I have no idea what it means). Have seen that issue mentioned a few times during my time here. Have a look to see if it covers the issue adequately. It is number 14 on the list. Maybe we could add the country you are based as an example of affected territories.
@schettj
Comparing the spec sheets ... the sim tk support is almost universal, you may find it there, but more likely it is not mentioned even when the device supports it.
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2010-05-15
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On schettj's suggestion I have broken this down into Issues and Annoyances. Issues will cover more significant issues and possible annoyances will try to cover things that some may consider to be nothing but are important for others. An example would be the lack of custom ringtone which many don't care about but is a big deal for me. Both categories though will still try to list all the things people would take into account when buying a phone but will not necessarily be able to find out from reviews. For example I have read three lenghty HTC Desire reviews and don't know the answer to many of the things I consider important. All I can tell is it is smooth and can be customized alot but I can't tell how much.
Something like the media player widget not working may not be a big deal at all but I have put it in issues because well it shows a general lack of care and attention to detail from Nokia towards their product. You may or may not agree with me but can't think of any other big phone company creating a widget that does not work.
Input would be appreciated on any items that should be moved from issues to annoyances and vice versa.
Something like the media player widget not working may not be a big deal at all but I have put it in issues because well it shows a general lack of care and attention to detail from Nokia towards their product. You may or may not agree with me but can't think of any other big phone company creating a widget that does not work.
Input would be appreciated on any items that should be moved from issues to annoyances and vice versa.
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2010-05-15
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Originally Posted by schettj
Problem is the product list wouldn't list every single thing the phone has though. For example, the N97 may not necessarily say you can have custom ringtones per contact or other such things which are totally insignificant for some and major for others.
I'm just seeing "mission creep" here, which is a common problem in these "common issue" threads.
They quickly devolve into "list of ways the n900 isn't a (Symbian | iPhone | Android) phone.
You could start the list with this notice
PART OF EDUCATING YOURSELF BEFORE PURCHASE IS TO READ THE PRODUCT SPEC HERE (with a link) FOR THE FULL LIST OF FEATURES THE PRODUCT CLAIMS IT HAS. THE LIST BELOW ENUMERATES ISSUES WITH THOSE CLAIMED FEATURES. IF YOU WANT A FEATURE THAT IS NOT ON THIS LIST, BUT IS ON A (Symbian | iPhone | Android) PHONE, THEN YOU NOW KNOW THAT FEATURE IS NOT AVAILABLE ON THIS PHONE, AND HAVE EDUCATED YOURSELF. IF SAID FEATURE IS CRITICAL TO YOUR USE/ENJOYMENT OF THE PHONE, THEN YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO CONSIDER THE N900.
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2010-05-15
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Originally Posted by etuoyo
This is fine. If it's not apparent from the feature list, or manual, or user guide, great - put it here. If you're just pointing out something that is (or is not) in the feature list, then I think you're missing your goal of "issues for potential buyers"
Problem is the product list wouldn't list every single thing the phone has though. For example, the N97 may not necessarily say you can have custom ringtones per contact or other such things which are totally insignificant for some and major for others.
The thing I see *most* often with people who are violently unhappy with their n900 purchase is the "I assumed it had feature/function X" where there was no reasonably expectation you would actually assume that at all, if you had spent 10 minutes browsing the product page.
I agree there are some things that you'd have had to download the manual or spend 10 minutes googling to verify that said feature was NOT in the currently shipping hardware/software.
There are then a smaller list of things that you'd have to hunt around for 30 minutes here to find out are problems with the shipping hardware/software that should not be there, and impact the functioning of the device, and are actual issues you might not expect as a potential buyer.
Maybe it's just me, but of those three categories above, only the last one falls into the category of "stuff I could have possibly missed before purchase" - since you're posting this list to maemo.org, however, the only way someone would find it before purchase is to come here - and if they are here, then they already can see the other thousand posts a week outlining these same issues...
I don't know about anyone else, but when I'm purchasing any high end device I spend quite a bit of time digging around to see what it can do, and to make sure it has every feature I need before I purchase it. That's why I'm always surprised by people posting to maemo.org (the place where they would have found EVERYTHING good and bad about the n900) about how they didn't know it could not do some function. I mean, they're here... so they sure should have been able to find that out ahead of time, right?
Anyway, I appreciate your willingness to continue the effort!
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2010-05-16
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Probably not exactly an issue but new buyers should know that the N900 does not have a digital compass. I just assumed it had one since phones much less expensive like the HTC Hero have this hardware, and I was disappointed when finding out it didn't. They should have put this in and left the useless IR transmitter out.
one issue maybe missed by many , is the BT , the device seems to refuse to connect to many BT headsets . i had a nokia BT ( dont remmeber model ) it was working with my N82 , i checked the nokia site for combatibelity and it was listed as cobitable with the N900 but it refused to work . i got a samsung stereo bt headset and it works just fine .
the issues refering to the phone app , call log and mms support , where kinda " known " cause the n900 was oriented more toward a Tablet with phone call support . althought im not 100% satisfide with the phone features and there is a lot o potential for improvments , the thing that annoise me is the " small screen " , i love the flash support etc but the screens doent help in that section.
as for the mp3 tags etc , it is nice to have the tags shown etc but its not a major thing ..