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After reading the post at the beginning of the thread I was gutted.
However, two things spring to mind:
(1) Nokia has never announced an official MeeGo port to the n900
(2) MeeGo is more open source than maemo will ever be.
If we assume that Nokia's "No MeeGo for the n900" means no commercial apps (e.g. skpe, facebook, OVI maps) or Nokia livery (e.g. Nokia logo on startup) then maybe it is not as bad as it sounds.
Maemo's underpinnings is not open source in the slightest. GPS, phone and battery management software is closed-source. You cannot even write a new "phone" app because the "driver" and application are the same thing(?). Not as if you can link your custom phone app to a library and make phone calls.
Non-offical MeeGo seems to be progressing well. As far as I know the MeeGo team are having problems with the battery management and I think they have developed an open source phone library. Most of the work is done. When the foundation is complete any UI can be installed on the top of it.
As long as all the hardware of the n900 is working with MeeGo then there is a good chance a community-based "n900 Linux distro" can be developed and maintained.
If this is the case then Nokia have just "shot themselves in the head" and removed their relevance from MeeGo and any decent chance of a proper "smartphone".
The key thing here is as long as there is an open sourced stack that enables the hardware for the n900 then we can use the device as we see fit.
When Nokia do release a new device based on MeeGo would you seriously recommend it to anyone based on your experiences with the n900?
I would say no and would be unlikely I would buy a "premium" device from Nokia again.
Last edited by johnel; 2010-05-25 at 08:07.
However, two things spring to mind:
(1) Nokia has never announced an official MeeGo port to the n900
(2) MeeGo is more open source than maemo will ever be.
If we assume that Nokia's "No MeeGo for the n900" means no commercial apps (e.g. skpe, facebook, OVI maps) or Nokia livery (e.g. Nokia logo on startup) then maybe it is not as bad as it sounds.
Maemo's underpinnings is not open source in the slightest. GPS, phone and battery management software is closed-source. You cannot even write a new "phone" app because the "driver" and application are the same thing(?). Not as if you can link your custom phone app to a library and make phone calls.
Non-offical MeeGo seems to be progressing well. As far as I know the MeeGo team are having problems with the battery management and I think they have developed an open source phone library. Most of the work is done. When the foundation is complete any UI can be installed on the top of it.
As long as all the hardware of the n900 is working with MeeGo then there is a good chance a community-based "n900 Linux distro" can be developed and maintained.
If this is the case then Nokia have just "shot themselves in the head" and removed their relevance from MeeGo and any decent chance of a proper "smartphone".
The key thing here is as long as there is an open sourced stack that enables the hardware for the n900 then we can use the device as we see fit.
When Nokia do release a new device based on MeeGo would you seriously recommend it to anyone based on your experiences with the n900?
I would say no and would be unlikely I would buy a "premium" device from Nokia again.
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Originally Posted by gerbick
If I correctly read between the lines there's more updates coming to Maemo5.
Or are their more updates scheduled for Maemo5 after PR1.2?
I also don't understand why everyone (almost) expected that there should be Maemo6/MeeGo for N900?
1) MeeGo apps will work on N900 whatever OS it's running
2) Maemo is going to have updates and enhancements
3) there's probably going to be unofficial port of MeeGo for the adventurous anyway
I don't deny that I would have been happier if Nokia made end user MeeGo for N900 also, but in the end it's really not that important considering the reasons above. First MeeGo HW is coming out in the end of the year, so N900 is 1 year old already, surely geegs need a new HW fix every year anyway.
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2010-05-25
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No Meego for the N900?
ok. i can put up with that - AS LONG as we will keep getting new Driver updates for a long time to come (or maybe even open source drivers) AND also OS optimizations (speed, reliability and features) for Maemo.
If it turns out that Meego will be blazingly fast (with lower overhead) and total eyecandy with high framerate and NO VSYNC display problems on hardware with the same SoC as the N900 (OMAP3430)... then we should expect equal improvements and speed optimizations for Maemo. Otherwise it will be a big dissappointment.
i remember vividly how the previous tablets got big updates year after year.
ok. i can put up with that - AS LONG as we will keep getting new Driver updates for a long time to come (or maybe even open source drivers) AND also OS optimizations (speed, reliability and features) for Maemo.
If it turns out that Meego will be blazingly fast (with lower overhead) and total eyecandy with high framerate and NO VSYNC display problems on hardware with the same SoC as the N900 (OMAP3430)... then we should expect equal improvements and speed optimizations for Maemo. Otherwise it will be a big dissappointment.
i remember vividly how the previous tablets got big updates year after year.
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2010-05-25
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2010-05-25
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It seems to me cycles are speeding up and obsolescence is coming faster. The N810 was darned near drowned in the N900 hoopla. I would expect there to be even more hoopla over the first MeeGo devices, so I would expect more drowning.
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2010-05-25
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Originally Posted by Arpa
Because Nokia have said that Harmattan will be released but not under the name Maemo6.
If I correctly read between the lines there's more updates coming to Maemo5.
I also don't understand why everyone (almost) expected that there should be Maemo6/MeeGo for N900?
1) MeeGo apps will work on N900 whatever OS it's running
2) Maemo is going to have updates and enhancements
3) there's probably going to be unofficial port of MeeGo for the adventurous anyway
I don't deny that I would have been happier if Nokia made end user MeeGo for N900 also, but in the end it's really not that important considering the reasons above. First MeeGo HW is coming out in the end of the year, so N900 is 1 year old already, surely geegs need a new HW fix every year anyway.
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Ahh .. the old "bury a bit of bad news" (MeeGo) "with some good news" (1.2), the oldest trick in marketing 
Speaking of marketing..
Sure we have Qt, but the developer of the app still needs to target and compile it for Maemo5. Fast forward, how long will it be before the standard Qt app starts off as a capacitive screen targeted app?
We've seen MeeGo on TVs, netbooks, shopping kiosks and heard it mentioned even for things without a screen. The only difference is it was Intel showing those off
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Speaking of marketing..
Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing
Riiight.. so what's going to stop every other developer taking the same attitude. I mean, if polishing software is too much work for Nokia with their huge workforce and $$$, how is Joe Bloggs going to manage it with his Qt app? All Im saying is, that from a n900 owners standpoint, it does make a difference if Nokia takes the lead in this.
Let's remember that this all about user experience. Polishing software is a lot of work. Polishing each application for resistive screen (as good as it is) is not trivial considering that we are making the UI for our Nokia product on MeeGo for capacitive screens as we have said already in Maemo Summit 2009.
Sure we have Qt, but the developer of the app still needs to target and compile it for Maemo5. Fast forward, how long will it be before the standard Qt app starts off as a capacitive screen targeted app?
We've seen MeeGo on TVs, netbooks, shopping kiosks and heard it mentioned even for things without a screen. The only difference is it was Intel showing those off
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Originally Posted by kojacker
Compiling is as easy as clicking a checkbox
Ahh .. the old "bury a bit of bad news" (MeeGo) "with some good news" (1.2), the oldest trick in marketing
Speaking of marketing..
Riiight.. so what's going to stop every other developer taking the same attitude. I mean, if polishing software is too much work for Nokia with their huge workforce and $$$, how is Joe Bloggs going to manage it with his Qt app?
Sure we have Qt, but the developer of the app still needs to target and compile it for Maemo5. Fast forward, how long will it be before the standard Qt app starts off as a capacitive screen targeted app?
We've seen MeeGo on TVs, netbooks, shopping kiosks and heard it mentioned even for things without a screen. The only difference is it was Intel showing those off
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I think many people's problems is that Nokia are very, very bad at communicating with their customers (e.g. until recently the "uncertainty" with "PR1.2").
Maemo is not really open source (e.g. a few closed components).
Also it appears that the n900 will not get the "free" version of OVI maps. It's really frustrating watching the Nokia adverts on the t.v. knowing all Nokia customers can get OVI maps except you.
At least with MeeGo on the n900 I have a chance to own an open source device (in the true sense of the word).
When Nokia abandon the n900 then at least MeeGo will still be developed within the community.
QT will really help too. I can write a python-based QT app and run it on my LInux desktop, MS Windows and my n900 running maemo - without modification.
Maemo is not really open source (e.g. a few closed components).
Also it appears that the n900 will not get the "free" version of OVI maps. It's really frustrating watching the Nokia adverts on the t.v. knowing all Nokia customers can get OVI maps except you.
At least with MeeGo on the n900 I have a chance to own an open source device (in the true sense of the word).
When Nokia abandon the n900 then at least MeeGo will still be developed within the community.
QT will really help too. I can write a python-based QT app and run it on my LInux desktop, MS Windows and my n900 running maemo - without modification.
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