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#81
Originally Posted by switchfiend View Post
Yeah, speaking as an Android owner whose phone came out about 4 months before the N900, you guys have now officially gotten 1 more software update than I have (and will likely ever get).

So the grass isn't always greener. Be happy the phone is being improved.
I see what your point is, and i agree, the Android grass isn't any greener, the OS does have the same problems in terms of upgrading. However, just because android doesn't supply that feature, doesn't mean that nokia should not try to create an OS which is upgradable. In my opinion, it's wrong to make the assumption "our competitor doesn't have it, so it's ok if we don't have it too". A dedicated company should always try to be AHEAD of it's competitor. Creating an upgradable mobile OS which isn't tied to certain hardware, is one of the biggest challenges in the industry, i think, and it would be wrong to just ignore this challenge. But well, branding an OS to a certain phone is the mentality from the beginning of mobile phones, so it would require a big change in terms of mentality. I know we can't expect that to happen in the near future, but it's a distant goal to look forward to. I really hope for Nokia, that MeeGo will be the next step towards that goal (i'm a bit pessimistic about that though, since in my eyes they are just trying to copy Android on that part - i don't know the exact bits and pieces so i might be wrong though).

Anyway, i didn't expect that my n900 would get an upgrade, after all i bought a "maemo" phone, not a "meego" phone. The only thing i hope is that nokia won't drop support after PR1.2, and that they support Maemo as much as they support Symbian. I hope for one last big gesture, like giving us Ovi Maps and/or Flash10.1, and then my n900 can die happily. Just a gesture, to give us the feeling that Nokia didn't abandon us. Because i think the feeling of abandonment is one of our biggest let-downs, no?
 

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So is it true to say then, that Nokia is moving away from ARM and into the arms of Intel?
Or are they having 2 (user) OS'es - Meego for Intel based devices and Symbian for ARM devices?
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#83
Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing View Post
Let's remember that this all about user experience. Polishing software is a lot of work. Polishing each application for resistive screen (as good as it is) is not trivial considering that we are making the UI for our Nokia product on MeeGo for capacitive screens as we have said already in Maemo Summit 2009.
So, why is this NOT in the NokConv post? Nokia seems to be working as 101 little companies, no harmony whatsoever in marketing.

"The Nokia MeeGo products will be based on capacitive screens, while the N900 has resistive touchscreen, therefore official support is not provided. However, to support our current N900 users and developers, we already released MeeGo 1.0 core for N900 on day/month and we will be releasing MeeGo 1.0 w mobile UI developer release for the Nokia N900 on 1st June. We will be releasing at least 3 more minor and one major Maemo 5 update in 2010." - clear, factual, positive, forward looking, committed

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"It’s really about ensuring that you have the best possible experience designed for the features on your Nokia N900 device. Nokia realises this news may be a disappointment for some, rest assured that Nokia will continue to support the core Maemo software on your Nokia N900, as evidenced by the PR 1.2 (V10.2010.19-1) update available today." - soft, mishmashing, burning in the negative part, avoiding commitment (but claiming it).
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Intel is involved as far as the OS goes. As yes there is a split AFAIK.

Meego x86 maintained by Intel with atom processors for UMPCs, tablets and large MIDs.

Meego ARM maintained by Nokia with ARM processors for their small MIDs/Internet Tablets, phones and netbooks.

Nokia isn't naive enough to put x86 chips in their phones, that's battery life suicide. While x86 arch is much more powerful than ARM, it's also much more power hungry. The battery life on the atom processors is a joke, the power and battery drain of a celeron processor. It's the equivalent of putting desktop components into a laptop (a "desktop replacement") get ~1 hour of battery life.

If you don't believe me, there are several x86 phones and you'll notice they advertise 1-2 hours of battery life (and as always, expect less time than they advertise).

Oh and it looks like Nokia is currently developing for Symbian, Meego and Maemo (but phasing out Maemo I imagine).
 
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THEN WHY THEY HAVE N900 PICTURE IN THEIR HOME SITE ????
http://meego.com/
 

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Originally Posted by BLIZZARD View Post
THEN WHY THEY HAVE N900 PICTURE IN THEIR HOME SITE ????
http://meego.com/
Because Nokia Management do not know their arse from their elbow.
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I knew it, the same psychological trick as before. When Meego was announced, they quickly released a FW update to calm the waves. Now the same. Looks like they think their customers are r3tard3d.

Hey qgil, remember my post and they way you brushed it off?

Originally Posted by qgil View Post
The Nokia schedules for Maemo 5 releases are totally independent from the MeeGo project schedules.
Luckily i never had any illusions about the smelly, rotten world of corporate politics, but i'm sure you will get a ton of thanks for the next "official" bs-pretext.

Never trust a Nokia drone.

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Originally Posted by BLIZZARD View Post
THEN WHY THEY HAVE N900 PICTURE IN THEIR HOME SITE ????
http://meego.com/
Originally Posted by johnel View Post
Because Nokia Management do not know their arse from their elbow.
Or maybe because it'll be the official reference platform for MeeGo on ARM?
 

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Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
You act as if porting an OS to a device is an easy task. Maemo, despite a surface appearance of openness, contain quite a few closed source components without which huge chunks of basic functionality are missing and have to be reimplemented. To date, there isn't really a viable community supported release of Maemo for any of the Nokia devices. It is small wonder almost no 3rd party manufacturers have attempted to make a device based on Maemo, while it is hard not to trip on all the new android devices coming out near daily.
I didn't say that it will be just a recompile. But as the N900 is ATM the developmentplatform for MeeGothe essential drivers and binary blobs should be there....

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Originally Posted by jsa View Post
Or maybe because it'll be the official reference platform for MeeGo on ARM?
But not an official Nokia MeeGo device!


On a serious note, can the ARM-based MeeGo images run in a QEMU virtual environment?
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