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gerbick
2010-05-25 , 20:07
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#181
Originally Posted by nosa101 View Post
isn't NITDroid still a WIP
So is Mer^2, so is the MeeGo implementation for N900. Simply put, the community in all of its goodness does a lot of big, huge projects that are years later a work in progress.

Mer? Dead.

Mer^2? Dead.

MeeGo for N900? Might as well be dead.

NITDroid? No movement in a while that warrants full replacement of the current OS.

OS2007HE? It was slow.

OS2008HE? It was even slower.

Besides applications, the OS support from the community - Community SSU excepted - just plain sucks for the last 3+ years.
 

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2010-05-25 , 20:13
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#182
Originally Posted by gerbick View Post

NITDroid? No movement in a while that warrants full replacement of the current OS.
I think saying that is completely unfair to dj_steve. He's made a **** load of progress. From the videos I saw, it looked as fast as Maemo 5 on the n900. Also, he is doing it alone so I wouldn't expect development to be super fast.

Look at the videos here. I think progress is being made
 

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2010-05-25 , 20:13
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#183
Originally Posted by Kajko View Post
Sad day. I was on the #maemo freenode IRC channel earlier today and people were being banned and kicked out for speaking their mind on this topic and being upset (rightly so) at Nokia. Others were being ridiculed and laughed at by the so called "senior" members of the community.

I thought this was an open community that nurtured a debate? What a joke, next they'll start deleting threads on here.
Originally Posted by N900Killa at #maemo
NOKIA BETRAYED US!!! TRAITORS!
No freaking meego on the n900 - FAIL
YES
i dongt
i dont want an os put together by a bunch of pimple faced hackers. i want official release !!!!
nokia give me my money back
huge huge huge fail nokia
pexi: toy your nokia never
I'm freaking disappointed nokia - never again am I buying nokia
stskeeps: open your fanboy blinders suckers
nokia needs fools that continue buying into their junk - fools
all I'm saying is all N900 buyers got their money stolen by nokia
That was the only person banned today, does that look like debate worth nurturing to you? Seriously?
 

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2010-05-25 , 20:15
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#184
Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
MeeGo for N900? Might as well be dead.
Well we can make absolutely sure of that. We're already on track, that's for sure. A community effort like none other.

Besides applications, the OS support from the community - Community SSU excepted - just plain sucks for the last 3+ years.
Well if apathy and a subtle antagonism towards those who are trying to put forth effort is what can be expected of the community, I can see why so few people bother to try and help. I wouldn't be shocked if the total number of people who have actually tried to contribute are a tiny, tiny minority of the people who frequent these forums and rarely those who yell at Nokia the loudest.

Indeed, MeeGo for the N900 probably is already dead and it is this community and cynically pessimistic commentary from all sides that will kill it.
 
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2010-05-25 , 20:15
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#185
Don't know if you guys know it or not but there is a group of paid professonal programmers working on Meego on N900. It is being done my people just like the people who are making Meego for the next device. Just because there are is no Offical Shinny Nokia Stamped update doesn't mean that there is not a professonal update being paid for by Nokia.
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2010-05-25 , 20:18
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#186
Originally Posted by TheLongshot View Post
How does this differ from most phone OSs? WinMo has been doing it for years. Android has similar issues, where owners are at the mercy of the manufacturers if they are going to get updates.
Most people would expect a company to have learned from prior mistakes. It's 2010, not 2000.

Now, I bought my N900 with the full understanding that Harmanhattan/Meego might not come for it. I was fine with that, since the OS runs fine for me for the most part. As long as most major bugs are taken care of, I'm not too worried about my device. As you continue to use your N810, I expect I will continue to use my N900 for a while, particularly if capacitive screens are the future.
I don't think you quite get what I mean. I'm merely asking when will it stop? 770, N800, N810, N900. So many bugs were left in Diablo (Maemo 4.1) that still persist and they're around closed bits in an "open source" OS. Irony withstanding; when will it stop?

Most people knew that Harmattan was not going to make it to the Fremantle device; however read the threads around here and you'd see that hope was still alive.

Hope is now fully dead. Stabbed in the heart by a protracted, 6 month delayed answer from Nokia that finally, and clearly stated what most people had assumed to be true already - the N900 was a dead end. The early adopters largely knew; the new users, or the people in Hong Kong did not - it just got launched there.

If Meego does come, I'll be happy. If it doesn't come, it is likely I'll still be happy, since I'm mostly happy with the phone as it stands now.
I'd honestly have to say that you have the healthiest outlook of anybody about this situation. I don't disagree with your stance; I just wonder how many times will people continue to support Maemo/MeeGo when each device is a dot-revision away from obsolescence based on whatever whim Nokia comes across.

The decision for resistive screen was basically a bad decision - capacitive is their future now. Multi-touch (which we all knew was never coming to the N900) will be the new drive forward.

I get the cost of advancement; I don't have to actually like it nor fully go along with it. Nor do other upset Nokia NXXX owners.
 

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2010-05-25 , 20:20
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#187
Originally Posted by nosa101 View Post
I think saying that is completely unfair to dj_steve. He's made a **** load of progress. From the videos I saw, it looked as fast as Maemo 5 on the n900. Also, he is doing it alone so I wouldn't expect development to be super fast.

Look at the videos here. I think progress is being made
Progress, indeed. I think you're overlooking what I actually said.

There is not enough advancement that it will not replace the main OS at the moment. Progress? Hell yes. Enough to convince me to drop Maemo? Not yet.

Please don't mince my words yet again.
 
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2010-05-25 , 20:21
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#188
Originally Posted by andrewfblack View Post
Don't know if you guys know it or not but there is a group of paid professonal programmers working on Meego on N900. It is being done my people just like the people who are making Meego for the next device. Just because there are is no Offical Shinny Nokia Stamped update doesn't mean that there is not a professonal update being paid for by Nokia.
the way i understand it , yes there is a team working on hardware adaptation of Meego, but there is only a community effort for the Nokia Meego instance known as harmattan.

technically, meego runs on the n900 right now...
 
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2010-05-25 , 20:27
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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
Well we can make absolutely sure of that. We're already on track, that's for sure. A community effort like none other.
The problem is that the other community efforts yielded no fruit. I'm not jaded because I want to be. I've become jaded because of prior experience.

Can't blame me for not having high hopes at this moment.

Well if apathy and a subtle antagonism towards those who are trying to put forth effort is what can be expected of the community, I can see why so few people bother to try and help. I wouldn't be shocked if the total number of people who have actually tried to contribute are a tiny, tiny minority of the people who frequent these forums and rarely those who yell at Nokia the loudest.
I'm not yelling at Nokia nor yelling at the kind folks that will grant my device years after Nokia has forgotten me.

I just have very little faith that things will happen in a grand manner; it will be like the Community SSU which is a gradual fix to quite a few things that were bothersome some 2 years after the fact. It's not a full OS upgrade or replacement; but you know, I do like what's being done.

But it required faith for me to stick around and hope that it would have happened. That faith is now lacking in anything else that comes out. Who knows... I might be pleasantly surprised.

Or I might be let down again.

Indeed, MeeGo for the N900 probably is already dead and it is this community and cynically pessimistic commentary from all sides that will kill it.
It'll be dead because nothing before pertaining the entire OS from the community just has never come to fruition. Developers are used to pessimism, cynicism and apathy. I know, I am a dev (not of the quality of some of the devs here) and some people are able to create magic. But the closed bits are indeed in the way.

And the commentary is of no consequence. They're getting paid to do something. It happens, I'll eat my words gladly. But past endeavors haven't amounted to much more than talk.
 

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2010-05-25 , 20:32
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#190
Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Most people would expect a company to have learned from prior mistakes. It's 2010, not 2000.
Point being, such "mistakes" continue to this day. Nokia isn't alone in this. (See the HD2)

Most people knew that Harmattan was not going to make it to the Fremantle device; however read the threads around here and you'd see that hope was still alive.

Hope is now fully dead. Stabbed in the heart by a protracted, 6 month delayed answer from Nokia that finally, and clearly stated what most people had assumed to be true already - the N900 was a dead end. The early adopters largely knew; the new users, or the people in Hong Kong did not - it just got launched there.
I'll disagree with you that hope is dead for the N900 simply because there won't be an official MeeGo build for the N900. The hope shifts now to applications, which is the lifeblood for any platform, and that gets a boost with pr1.2 with QT 4.6 and the opening of Ovi Store. With a compatible framework and a commercial store, that opens things up for more applications, potentially. If we didn't have that, I'd have to agree with you.

I'd honestly have to say that you have the healthiest outlook of anybody about this situation. I don't disagree with your stance; I just wonder how many times will people continue to support Maemo/MeeGo when each device is a dot-revision away from obsolescence based on whatever whim Nokia comes across.
Considering it seems the average phone user changes devices at least every couple of years, if not more often, I think that's less of an issue than those used to the tablet market.

The decision for resistive screen was basically a bad decision - capacitive is their future now. Multi-touch (which we all knew was never coming to the N900) will be the new drive forward.
I don't think it was a bad decision at all. Until they allow me to use a stylus on a capacitive screen, I'll probably never feel comfortable with it. I also prefer a h/w keyboard as well over touch screen.
 
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