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2010-05-27
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Nokia is leaving Maemo 5
N900 is an expensive device and will not be receiving an official copy of the new generation of mobile OS.
That means Maemo is dead
and we will probably have to stick with it for the rest of the lifetime of our N900s
Nokia and Intel collaboration means that as soon as Intel publishes X86 based mobile processors (aka "Moorestown"). The high-end devices of Nokia will probably be going that way too
Hardware issues are a bit of a letdown, too.
However in the capitalistic world no company is foolish enough to try to satisfy old customers.
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2010-05-27
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Originally Posted by Venemo
Are any of your answers substantiated?
This is not true.
This is not true.
This is not true.
This is not true.
No, it doesn't mean that. At least not in the foreseeable future.
This is not true.
my business scene tell me exactly the same thing. discussed here
eg getting Meego to run on the n900 dosen't imply it is supported by nokia. (reasoning eg. - i call in under grantee to say my GPS is not working, trouble shoot over the phone confirms my grantee is void because i am not running the sported OS.)
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the bugs below are important to the overall success of the n900 so please vote.
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8343
the bugs below are important to the overall success of the n900 so please vote.
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8343
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2010-05-27
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Originally Posted by AtteK0
Business 101: It is 10x more expensive to sell to a new customer than to an existing one. Look it up.
However in the capitalistic world no company is foolish enough to try to satisfy old customers.
Nokia has been around for a long time and realizes the importance of lifetime relationships with its customers. While the open source arena is new to them, they do have a solid record of customer support and consistent manufacture quality (at least for hardware).
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2010-05-27
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Originally Posted by cfh11
selling to a new meamo customer has just cost R&D, no marketing, its those customers who are the early adopters (Mavens) and need to be on board to make this fly. Nokia are not keeping them happy, take me as a customer here, I am not seeing the love, - my n900 would be a dream come true if only it sported task descriptions (something on every S40 phone and up.)
Business 101: It is 10x more expensive to sell to a new customer than to an existing one. Look it up.
Nokia has been around for a long time and realizes the importance of lifetime relationships with its customers. While the open source arena is new to them, they do have a solid record of customer support and consistent manufacture quality (at least for hardware).
for 1 tiny simple reason I can not recommend this to anyone who has used a nokia S40 S60, S90, blackberry or a palm before.
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the bugs below are important to the overall success of the n900 so please vote.
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8343
the bugs below are important to the overall success of the n900 so please vote.
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8343
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2010-05-27
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Originally Posted by timwatt
I don't get the logic here. Attracting a new customer costs SIGNIFICANTLY more in marketing, which was my point. Now, if we are talking about developing a new software platform (i.e. Meego), I would agree that the majority of the cost is R&D.
selling to a new meamo customer has just cost R&D, no marketing,
I just think if we are discussing capitalism - the point of which is to make money - that Nokia would be foolish to ignore its current customer base. Purely speculation here, but its seems that the investment in the Ovi Suite, Qt compatibility, and the Yahoo partnership are targeted at this objective.
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2010-05-27
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Originally Posted by cfh11
Ironically, I've had the opinion for awhile that Nokia is burning its current customer-base (serious lack of store-front presence for support, repairs, parts, accessories, etc.). I don't trust shipping things all over God's creation and waiting a month or more to get a device back that I depend on--much less do it all without a ticket or a receipt as an assurance that it's been received into their possession for the intended purpose.
I don't get the logic here. Attracting a new customer costs SIGNIFICANTLY more in marketing, which was my point. Now, if we are talking about developing a new software platform (i.e. Meego), I would agree that the majority of the cost is R&D.
I just think if we are discussing capitalism - the point of which is to make money - that Nokia would be foolish to ignore its current customer base. Purely speculation here, but its seems that the investment in the Ovi Suite, Qt compatibility, and the Yahoo partnership are targeted at this objective.
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2010-05-27
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Originally Posted by danramos
I agree with this, but this may be more of a problem in the US than elsewhere. Outside the US - can anyone comment? Or is it the same everywhere?
Ironically, I've had the opinion for awhile that Nokia is burning its current customer-base (serious lack of store-front presence for support, repairs, parts, accessories, etc.). I don't trust shipping things all over God's creation and waiting a month or more to get a device back that I depend on--much less do it all without a ticket or a receipt as an assurance that it's been received into their possession for the intended purpose.
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2010-05-28
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Originally Posted by cfh11
I agree with your statement, i just haven't seen an advertising investment in maemo other than maybe payed blog posts here or there, I did see an add on you tube, and a pre-release photo of an n900 ad on a buss stop in Italy. Other than that the marketing investment since the n800 has been non existing in my books. (the website was a little investment not more than a $60KUS)
I don't get the logic here. Attracting a new customer costs SIGNIFICANTLY more in marketing, which was my point. Now, if we are talking about developing a new software platform (i.e. Meego), I would agree that the majority of the cost is R&D.
My point is the current n900 owners are here because they see the value in the "open platform" not because they have been "sold the device". Nokia just by developing Meamo the way its doing it has got a flowing. You couldn't buy the maemo community with marketing no matter what your budget. if Nokia is spending long bucks on marketing the n900, it is attracting the wrong target market at this stage in its development.
So I believe the n900 owners (nokia customers) are a result of R&D spending not marketing, and to keep that base nokia have to address concerns like the one raised at the beginning of this thread.
I am here because things are open, not that I contribute anything other than an opinion, but this is the future and I am excited to see it profit in new ways (my concern is meego is a sellout to link free and open to a hardware chip)
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the bugs below are important to the overall success of the n900 so please vote.
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8343
the bugs below are important to the overall success of the n900 so please vote.
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8343
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2010-05-28
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Originally Posted by cfh11
Nokia's customer base still buy Simbian phones.
I just think if we are discussing capitalism - the point of which is to make money - that Nokia would be foolish to ignore its current customer base. Purely speculation here, but its seems that the investment in the Ovi Suite, Qt compatibility, and the Yahoo partnership are targeted at this objective.
The maemo base is an experiment in open - at the hart of Meamo there are some clairvoyant employees with sway at nokia (i can scene they are there). The memo community are that magic from where life grows, when its finished growing it will be something and that will be the future. But from what i see the executives (not those clairvoyant employees) have steeped in and the open excrement is now a business venture with an open component. for me it is too seem to try and profit from the meamo I think it needs more time to mature in the community before having other controlling commercial interests play a part.
All I can do now is wait and see, what I found in maemo needs to be rediscovers in meego.
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the bugs below are important to the overall success of the n900 so please vote.
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8343
the bugs below are important to the overall success of the n900 so please vote.
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6892
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8343
Last edited by timwatt; 2010-05-28 at 13:30.
Nokia is leaving Maemo 5 and going for MeeGo. N900 is an expensive device and will not be receiving an official copy of the new generation of mobile OS. That means Maemo is dead and we will probably have to stick with it for the rest of the lifetime of our N900s. I could believe in the might of the superdevelopers and Nokia tweaking the MeeGo for N900 but I am not getting my hopes up.
Reason 1: Nokia and Intel collaboration means that as soon as Intel publishes X86 based mobile processors (aka "Moorestown"). The high-end devices of Nokia will probably be going that way too
(http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06...atom_handsets/)
Reason 2: Programmers pushing out fairly good code, fixing bugs developing etc. is expensive. Why would Nokia bother itself with a device with no future markets except selling us the next gen (aka Harmattan)?
Reason 3: Hardware issues are a bit of a letdown, too. MeeGo will be an OS designed to take advantage multitouch. No luck there if you own an N900.
And the main reason: If you buy something that is not complete and Nokia gets the cash for it, they would have no oblication to fix it if that was not promised. When I bought the device I saw great potential for future (the rumored 10.1 prototype-video). However in the capitalistic world no company is foolish enough to try to satisfy old customers.
On the other hand we are getting updates (buggy ones) which is a nice thing. Nokia understands that we are a large group of people willing to buy a next MeeGo/Harmattan phone when it is published. IF we are happy with the last one.
The competition in the high-end mobile phone market is also going to be tougher for Nokia. There are many new trends to follow, new companies (Acer, LG) and OS` to fight against. Next generation is coming (over 10MB cameras, HD screens, HDMI out, WiFi N etc) and N900 is over 6 months old already.
I am going to enjoy my device as long as it lasts. A full Linux in my pocket is something great, not to mention the cellural capabilites and other gadgets.
No hard feelings, Nokia