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2007-08-17
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Originally Posted by Toontje
You are such an activist.
Oops!!
He removed the Eee's from his shop...
Ton.
I'll bet he tracked back to this page and read the comments...
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2007-08-17
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Originally Posted by Toontje
Well, obviously, since you didn't define "cheap" :-)
Doesn't really meet the "cheap" part of my description...
Ton.
If "cheap" means "same price as N800", there is nothing available now. Maybe when the OLPC ceases to be vapourware. Maybe if the Western Asus subsidiaries don't kill the eee concept out of self-interest. Maybe next year, etc. But not right now.
OTOH, if "cheap" means "cheaper than what brand-name ultra-portables usually go for when they weight less than a kilogram, have an x86 CPU capable of running Linux OR Windows, 4-to-5 hours battery life, PC-like RAM and hard disk, Wifi, BT, plus CF, SD, USB, LAN and VGA ports"... well yes, less than 600€ is *VERY* cheap. Now. Until the above materialize...
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2007-08-17
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Originally Posted by Texrat
The hardware specs for one laptop per child is not even close to the Eee PC,
I'll quibble with that, too. Nokia has paid keen attention to the One Laptop Per Child initiative since its inception, and $100 US was the original target price. Granted there are technical constraints, but if we're just talking price...
Eee PC 900Mhz processor
OLPC 433Mhz
Eee PC 4GBFlash
OLPC 1GB
Eee PC 512BM RAM
OLPC 256
The Display seems really bad on the OLPC, it does do 1200x900 on a 7.5inch screen though, and Eee PC only does 800x480 on 7inch screen, seems more reasonable
Also now I believe the 100$ is looking at about 170$ at last glance.
While the OLPC is a neat idea, and with very low power consumption, makes it great for, say poor kids in Africa, it does not do much for me.
Looking at the specs on the Eee PC makes me want to run out and buy 4 of them for my kids. I wonder what the actual retail price will be this fall, and how many they will have available?
I don't think this is in direct competition with IT because of IT size. But if I can get a whole laptop for $200, its makes buying an IT for $450 seem a bit expensive.
Last edited by penguinbait; 2007-08-17 at 17:57.
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2007-08-17
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That was pretty much my draw as well Penguin, I by no means am proficient at Linux but am growing more comfortable with using it, and we all pretty much expect at any time now an announcent from Nokia about the next IT and it'll probably be in the neighborhood of $300-499 US, so when Asus came out and said $199 c'mon.. Who would'nt want to pick one up and hack n' mod that thing ??
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2007-08-17
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Originally Posted by TTgowings
That was pretty much my draw as well Penguin, I by no means am proficient at Linux but am growing more comfortable with using it, and we all pretty much expect at any time now an announcent from Nokia about the next IT and it'll probably be in the neighborhood of $300-499 US, so when Asus came out and said $199 c'mon.. Who would'nt want to pick one up and hack n' mod that thing ??
Go redwings, where are you in MI?
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2007-08-17
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Check your PM Penguin..
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2007-08-17
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Originally Posted by fpp
Good points. It's funny to watch the dialog entangle over semantics. The cost/performance ratio isn't absolute, but varies from person to person. Still, there ARE demarcation points, and $400 appears to be one of them for US consumers. Wait... make that $399
Well, obviously, since you didn't define "cheap" :-)
If "cheap" means "same price as N800", there is nothing available now. Maybe when the OLPC ceases to be vapourware. Maybe if the Western Asus subsidiaries don't kill the eee concept out of self-interest. Maybe next year, etc. But not right now.
OTOH, if "cheap" means "cheaper than what brand-name ultra-portables usually go for when they weight less than a kilogram, have an x86 CPU capable of running Linux OR Windows, 4-to-5 hours battery life, PC-like RAM and hard disk, Wifi, BT, plus CF, SD, USB, LAN and VGA ports"... well yes, less than 600€ is *VERY* cheap. Now. Until the above materialize...
And FYI, I only brought the OLPC up because it was alleged that Nokia may not have expected a $200 "laptop". My point had nothing to do with technical ability (I did make the disclaimer) but was regarding awareness. Based on some of the rants raised here, apparently some people would be extremely surprised at what Nokia does follow. You don't get to be a world leader with close to 40% global market share by misisng every boat.
Granted, as a monolithic company Nokia is not always as nimble as it could be but we can see from the Motorola RAZR debacle that this isn't always fatal. Sometimes slow and steady really DOES win the race. We'll see if that translates to the "palmtop" category.
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2007-08-17
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I have a feeling Nokia will always have atleast the 'cult' following when it comes to palmtops. Early to the market, with open source software to boot, thats the stuff small cult followings are made of. Personally I can see Nokia rounding out the war, simply because when the masses are ready for internet communications tablets, nokia will have had god knows how many generations already out, plus Nokia is already trusted as a company that produces good communications devices. UMPC or no UMPC how many people have heard of any of these obscure UMPC brands that have been popping up? But who hasn't heard of Nokia, or owned at least one Nokia brick?
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2007-08-17
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I myself bought a Nokia phone (my first one) only because I needed a modem to go with my 770. But I have a vague feeling I might be part of a microscopic minority :-)
This discussion about market is interesting. The market as Nokia and others see it is that the laptop market still has millions and millions of devices sold. Even if you aggregate all of the computers and Internet devices smaller than a laptop that can be handheld, the total is still so much, much smaller than the laptop sales that you might as well call the whole handheld thing its own market. But looking years out Nokia, Intel, Google and others see a shift towards more portable Internet devices where things like battery life, size and weight, and UI matter more and you can't just shrink down a laptop to get the best handheld computer. There is no clear design win yet so everything in that category still "competes" with everything else. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages. You have your UMPCs and similar, your OQOs and similar, iphone and similar Internet-optimized advanced cell phones, and the N800 (with nothing similar IMHO). My comments on how the N800 will fare against these is in my previous posts.