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2010-06-01 , 14:47
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#71
Originally Posted by mokkey View Post
all the ppl that said yes are you nuts we shouldnt have to pay for a bloody firmware any way so no i wouldnt pay s**t!
the how did you buy your N900?
Didnt you pay for the firmware? Didnt you get any software/os on it?

You pay for the software/firmware when you bought your N900, its not just the hardware.

But who tells us that you also paid for firmware upgrades to come? I think Samsung even doesnt do that at all (if i read some other forums)

And to say firmware... thats not really true, i dont see my Windows 7 install as firmware on my laptop, its an fully blown OS. firmware of my laptop is for example the bios or some firmware in my SSD.. Thats really close to the hardware
 
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2010-06-01 , 14:51
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This thread is a clear indication that the user/community feels at a disadvantage against nokia and they're willing to bargain/compromise to get what they want.
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2010-06-01 , 14:53
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
This thread is a clear indication that the user/community feels at a disadvantage against nokia and they're willing to bargain/compromise to get what they want.
No, we won't bend over. Nokia has to ask nicely like every other gentleman would
 
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2010-06-01 , 14:59
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#74
well i said no at first !! but if the majority feels that the ship aint gonna sink well we cant just jump in the water !! so i am with em!!

now what is the next step????????
 
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2010-06-01 , 15:01
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well n900 is based on maemo !! it can never get meego nokia never said !! they said they are working on it but wont completely port it !! and i dont need any other sources !!

so if we need meego we need to pay of course!! but if we need new features i aint gonna pay!!
 
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2010-06-01 , 15:06
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#76
On a mobile device firmware and OS are very blurred... Its not like you can just pick up the n900 or any other phone and just install another OS on it! (well not easily anyway)

And as people are quickly forgetting Apple already had people pay for the ipod touch update and are planning on doing it again and I doubt its bringing much more functionality to that already crippled device!!!

Its not like this has'nt been done before. The question here is more would it be economically viable for nokia to use this model to deliver updates...

If the drivers were open source then I think the maemo.org community could pitch in and this would be a great driver for moving things forwards - cash rewards are a nice incentive...
 
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2010-06-01 , 15:41
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#77
Yes, I would pay. And of course more than 5€ per month. But only for features.

They should fix Bugs as soon as they appears on the Device they have sold! (not on the next Device except I can exchange it for free with my already payed Device - But I would prefer a fix on my own paid device without the need to swap to a other to get rid of the bug)
 

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2010-06-02 , 08:52
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#78
Originally Posted by jer006 View Post
And as people are quickly forgetting Apple already had people pay for the ipod touch update and are planning on doing it again and I doubt its bringing much more functionality to that already crippled device!!!
No, I am not quickly forgetting that. I said that I will never pay for a firmware update. Apple customers however, does not seem to fully appreciate anything unless they can pay a premium for it. Or that's just my observation, anyway.

In my opinion, the lines between firmware and the software are too blurred.

If the firmware needs an update, it's not good enough. If there's too much software in the firmware, I believe they should extract it, create as small a kernel as possible, and keep software updates as separate from OS updates as possible. If Nokia had done that with the N900, we would not have had to wait all these extra weeks for PR1.2 debugging, but could have had microfixes and individual software updates. I think it's bad service that you should have to flash the OS to upgrade a mozilla-based web browser. I think it's bad service that we have to wait extra months to fix a ton of bugs because changes in non-essential functionality doesn't pass quality testing. And the idea of paying extra for this bad service, doesn't taste good to me.
 

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2010-06-02 , 13:58
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Originally Posted by volt View Post
If the firmware needs an update, it's not good enough. If there's too much software in the firmware, I believe they should extract it, create as small a kernel as possible, and keep software updates as separate from OS updates as possible. If Nokia had done that with the N900, we would not have had to wait all these extra weeks for PR1.2 debugging, but could have had microfixes and individual software updates. I think it's bad service that you should have to flash the OS to upgrade a mozilla-based web browser. I think it's bad service that we have to wait extra months to fix a ton of bugs because changes in non-essential functionality doesn't pass quality testing. And the idea of paying extra for this bad service, doesn't taste good to me.
Even though I do agree with the sentiment, you do realise that this is oneNAND flash that we are dealing with here and thus have finite number of write cycles? So while this approach might have worked for a regular PC, this is not the best approach for a mobile device. Besides, testing the various configurations in an incremental update model would be much more difficult. So I can see why Nokia takes the approach it does.
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2010-06-02 , 14:05
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Originally Posted by arbitrabbit View Post
you do realise that this is oneNAND flash that we are dealing with here and thus have finite number of write cycles?
so?
those are only 256m.
nokia's sick layout of storage space is really no excuse ...
 
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