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2010-06-07 , 20:33
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I actually watched an interesting tedtalk on marketing and how Apple or rather Steve Jobs does it.
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2010-06-07 , 20:35
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Originally Posted by mrojas View Post
- Don't give your competitor's extra promotion by spending time saying how better your product is comparing it to them. Just keep on hammering on what you CAN do.
Exactly. Too much energy is going into pointing out where the iPhone fails. Nokia needs specific functionality to show for its efforts. The fanboys will do the work of comparing competing devices, as long as Nokia delivers hard to match features.

One way to hit Android would be to really go for the nerd crowd while remaining transparent to people who don't care. Why not start a Free repo on Ovi that would mirror Maemo Extras, so developers could charge for their apps without destroying the idea of a package manager and users could easily support their favorites? We might even start getting GPL games like that!

Then push that concept like hell on Slashdot, etc. Free software fanatics need to see progress too, which is why Android has so far received more attention than Maemo despite being less Linuxy.
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2010-06-07 , 20:38
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Originally Posted by jnwi View Post
Exactly. Too much energy is going into pointing out where the iPhone fails. Nokia needs specific functionality to show for its efforts. The fanboys will do the work of comparing competing devices.

One way to hit Android would be to really go for the nerd crowd while remaining transparent to people who don't care. Why not start a Free repo on Ovi that would mirror Maemo Extras, so developers could charge for their apps and users could easily support their favorites? We might even start getting GPL games like that!

Then push that concept like hell on Slashdot, etc. Free software fanatics need to see progress too, which is why Android has so far received more attention than Maemo despite being less Linuxy.
Android has been receiving far more good press because it is "flashy" and "open".
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Android has been receiving far more good press because it is "flashy" and "open".
Android is receiving more good press because the press can point at specific features, not nebulous concepts.
 

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2010-06-07 , 20:44
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Originally Posted by jnwi View Post
Android is receiving more good press because the press can point at specific features, not nebulous concepts.
S60 has probably the most features of all the smartphone OS's, but its press is abysmal. Android takes features, wraps them in a flashy, open envelope; and presents it. Most Android reviews (specially with HTC Sense) are "Oh pretty, and open"; while the detailed ones go past them and hammer on the features.

This is something MeeGo will need.
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2010-06-07 , 20:46
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Originally Posted by mrojas View Post
S60 has probably the most features of all the smartphone OS's, but its press is abysmal. Android takes features, wraps them in a flashy, open envelope; and presents it.
OK, I'll rephrase: "specific, usable, features" .
 
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2010-06-07 , 20:51
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Nokia needs its own Jobs. That man is a salesman
That man could sell a refrigerator to an eskimo...
 
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2010-06-07 , 20:52
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What MeeGo need is persuasive talking heads... Like Jobs.
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"All the revolutionary open Meego systems are mounted on a custom designed frame, protected by a specially developed aluminium alloy. This alloy presents a marked improvement in mechanical properties compared to other materials available in the market; and similar alloys are used in the aerospace industry for for critical, high performance components in aircraft and rockets. Also, in the best interest of ecology, the base components of the alloy are made from 100% recycled metals."
Except that you can't say anything like that, since you don't know who is going to adopt MeeGo and what the devices they'll put it on are like.

What has to happen is people that are leading the MeeGo project need to get hardware vendors on board with it, and pressure THEM to look at what Apple is doing right and to learn from it, while trying to maintain the openness for the end-user that we want.

In the end, the hardware vendors want to become service vendors and they're trying to learn from Apple. What has to be done is to convince them that you can give people a user experience equivalent to what Apple provides without being as hostile to end users and developers that Apple is.

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What MeeGo need is persuasive talking heads... Like Jobs.
Steve isn't just a persuasive talking head. He pushes design and aesthetics. Something that Apple really succeeds at. Simple things like not allowing the end user to see the UI redraw itself.
 
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
What MeeGo need is persuasive talking heads... Like Jobs.
But it also needs services. Out of the box. Not potential, not what might come later if the community delivers it.

If you get the services right, it sells itself. If you get a charismatic salesman to pitch it, you print money.
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