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2010-06-10 , 23:25
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No matter what the sales numbers were, if they're below 20M (or whatever Apple has), press would label that disappointing, and Nokia funders would require immediate termination for wasting their money on some communist nonsense. So, not publishing is a good idea if they want to keep doing Maemo/MeeGo.
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2010-06-10 , 23:29
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If it were truly even just 2 million, that's a good thing. OpenMoko is about the only open source phone, and it didn't do too well.

It's not about a comparison to Apple - which I also own stock - but just to gauge how viable Nokia sees Maemo, thus Meego and how much effort they will put into marketing and providing support (possibly).

Simply put, I've decided to not purchase a N900 - unless I run across on under $250 and will purchase (perhaps) the MeeGo offering instead.

Yet... curiosity is met with... whatever you call it.
 
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2010-06-10 , 23:32
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Has the pissed drained out of this thread yet?
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2010-06-10 , 23:42
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Has the pissed drained out of this thread yet?
With your arrival... I'd say so.

I'm not as much angry as much as... I hate having to show more proof than is offered to me. I answer, I show, I link... yet I get nothing more than rank opinion?

Waste o' time and a pain in the arse. Meh.
 
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2010-06-11 , 00:05
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
Waste o' time and a pain in the arse. Meh.
The old wisdom of the jungle tells that you cannot beat the truth out of an Internet forum. More so when it doesn't know the truth.

Let's not forget that the whole Maemo line so far has been akin to concept devices, that got some assembly line time due to some strange coincidence. As semi-admitted by Nokia, the sales numbers on the N900 were better than they had forecasted. Being step 4/5, even they don't think it's finished.

My guess is that Nokia is just ashamed to admit that someone's run-away low budget open-source phone OS project turned out to be better than their beloved Symbian. (They should be, at least.) Hopefully with Meego they will actually start to take it seriously and give some proper resources for it.
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2010-06-11 , 04:02
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At the very least i saw a marked change in tone from

"n900 can compete with iPhone/android, being that nokia is still king of smartphones! They just aren't publishing the numbers for a positively good reason. "

To...

"well, uh, ok.. The n900 is still part of the maemo line that was meant to be an experiment in repackaging OSS, so a low sales figured are to be expected anyway."
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Originally Posted by juise- View Post
Let's not forget that the whole Maemo line so far has been akin to concept devices, that got some assembly line time due to some strange coincidence. As semi-admitted by Nokia, the sales numbers on the N900 were better than they had forecasted. Being step 4/5, even they don't think it's finished.
So then why regress to a step 1 product with MeeGo???

Originally Posted by juise- View Post
My guess is that Nokia is just ashamed to admit that someone's run-away low budget open-source phone OS project turned out to be better than their beloved Symbian. (They should be, at least.) Hopefully with Meego they will actually start to take it seriously and give some proper resources for it.
I just don't think Nokia knows what to do with it at all. If I were Nokia, I would just spin off the divisions of the company as completely separate entities. I cannot name any brands that span from low to high end, and every segment inbetween. That is what Nokia is trying to do... it's quite a feat. Do they want to become the Microsoft of SmartPhones?
 
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Either show me proof of those links as I've done for you using actual Nokia.com or affiliated links or honestly explain to me why you've chosen to antagonize a person that's curious about something you've clearly shown no interest in past nor present.

As it stands, you're blissfully happy not knowing. I'm curious enough to ask questions. Care to share what's wrong with that as well while I'm asking?

Instead of obstinate opinion, take the hint from what I had done above; prove it.

You've proven nothing thus far. I've listed out links that shot down your "I didn't know they did it before" wasteful banter from earlier.

Waste my time no longer. Put up your proof. I'll wait. Address me only with that proof.

Thanks in advance. Official links only, btw. Follow my lead.
what should i prove? that it'd be unwise imo to publish maemo sales figures? do you expect this sentence to show up in a nokia annual report?

anyway, you're getting it all wrong. i'd love to have detailed maemo sales figures for every device, month by month, region by region. i'd pay for this information. i keep searching for hints. i started a thread here to collect information about how successful (or not) the n900 is.

but: i do understand very well that they don't tell. i wouldn't. nothing to gain, too much risk. actually, as a consumer, i think in the end it'd be against my interest would nokia publish those figures. i'd be happy for a moment but would have to live with unpleasant consequences.

i don't know what makes you think i'm not curious.....
 
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I almost wrote this in German so I'd be clearer.

You stated that Nokia had stated that they had sold 100k phones in 5 weeks. I linked to Nokia quarterly reports with the prior statements that broke out the N95, et al in their individual sales.

I asked for you to show me where did that 100k number in 5 weeks come from, in the same official manner as I had proven to you that Nokia had indeed once told people of their sales on individual phones. I have reason to doubt that claim because it's never been shown to be an official release. Just... something somebody said.

That's what I'm asking. You asked about the N95 sales, I proved that. Now, please prove that 100k in 5 weeks in the same way.

It cannot be that difficult to understand. I refuse to believe that. Just show me a link from Nokia.com, conversations.nokia.com, whateverthe****youcanmakeup.nokia.com... whatever. Just show me something other than heresy. I didn't show you heresy. So I will only accept the same.

Ok? I hate having to be this damn redundant, but you are clearly overlooking what I had done to settle your curiosity and I'm asking for the same in return.

Is that so much to ask for? If you cannot do so, just say so. It's of no consequence.

And for the record, I'm not angry. It's just frustrating that I can show you links, I ask for the exact same thing back and I get only opinion. Alle sollten gleich sein.
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick View Post
You stated that Nokia had stated that they had sold 100k phones in 5 weeks. I linked to Nokia quarterly reports with the prior statements that broke out the N95, et al in their individual sales.

I asked for you to show me where did that 100k number in 5 weeks come from, in the same official manner as I had proven to you that Nokia had indeed once told people of their sales on individual phones. I have reason to doubt that claim because it's never been shown to be an official release. Just... something somebody said.
You know well where the "100000 in 5 weeks" come from. you chose to doubt that source - i believe it. So what's the point you're trying to make?
 
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