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Since you appear to want to continue this... (Sorry to the rest of the thread watchers. I would take this to PM, but I don't think he'd bother reading it... Not that I assume he's reading it here entirely, but...)

Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
but not when as what has just happened to me where people jump in with a dig inviting flaming to occur is allowed, it shows clearly something is not right.
I see, so you call people wrong, crazy and unreasonable (note the links highlight the words), for disagreeing with you, and then get upset when they disagree? You were being very rude. People are upset and replying because you were rude in your very first post on this thread.

This is after you've said the forum "stinks of Nokia" and basically call everyone that disagrees with you a "fanboy". As well as insult the moderators by claiming they're all out to get you, and specifically have set you up to trick you into getting infraction points. And you think people are attacking you? That's not how I (or most here) see it.

How did they "trick you" again? As I recall you wandered into the overclock thread, rather randomly, and called the OP "irresponsible" for posting such things without an appropriate heat dissipation solution. You then questioned if they were actually altering the voltage, and claimed that even if there were, it wouldn't affect heat generated (when clearly that is a factor). You spoke to several active and knowledgeable people in thread (which were also mainly engineers) as if they were children, and questioned their knowledge of basic electronic principles (like "ohms law"). Then when confronted with a knowledgeable response, and witty replies, started claiming you were being attacked, and called for Reggie to moderate the thread.

Again, I don't see that as people attacking you. I see that as you being rude, acting like a complete know it all (when you don't), and then crying for a moderator when the big boys told you to piss off. (After being kind enough to disprove most of what you were saying.)

Then you come here and cite that as an example of the moderators being out to get you, and fanboys attacking you, and expect to not have people challenge your false accusations? And if they do, you're again being "attacked". Doesn't make sense, sorry.

Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
If your going to make rules then at least make them applicable to everone including mods and the friends of because you cannot have a rule for one and not another.
As stated earlier, the rules do apply to everyone. It just so happens that you don't want to follow them, and (maybe inadvertently) are just rude.

Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
i was on the verge of explaining a crucial mod to overclocking that never got the light of day and now they have rather shot themselves in the foot because i am reluctant to give any of my modifications to this forum
Wow.. You were on the verge of helping, and then decided not to because a few people got upset with you being rude? How mature of you.

The only idea you presented (interspersed among your rude comments) were references to the idea of adding a heat sync to the processor to dissipate heat, which many people though was a good idea btw. But you never expanded on it because your posts were so rude, uninformed, and insulting that people became confrontational and the discussion derailed. You shot yourself in the foot, and then blame "the community" for not letting you enlighten them with your wonderful idea...

You need to check your ego, Mr. Engineer. Simply put, every other person in that discussion is still on that thread, actively working on fixes and tweaks to the overclocking work and other kernel based changes. They're getting along just fine, and were fine before you showed up. The only thing that changed was you being present, and when you left peace returned. It's not the whole community that's got issues... It's one person: You.

If you cared about the community here, you would have started another thread with your idea about cooling the CPU instead of trying to hijack a thread about overclocking while insulting the people active in promoting that development. Instead you continued to fan the flames there, and then started another thread about the lack of "appropriate" moderation.

Even while chatting here with you, I've continued to do other things, like answer a newbies question about map loading, and suggesting a new feature for an app I've been testing. All while "defending myself" from your false aspersions of me attacking you.

If you want to help the community, do it. Stop being rude, and finding fault with everyone and every thing, and offer actual help. If you don't want to help the community (as you clearly stated above with "i am reluctant to give any of my modifications to this forum") then why are you here? To distract and cause flame wars? Not needed. Take your degree and go use it somewhere else... and take your ego with you.
 

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Woody, it might be time to use the Ignore List. If you don't think someone is reading your posts, why bother replying? Why subject everyone else to it?

To Community forum mod: please move further off topic posts to their own thread so this one can serve its actual intended purpose.
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Originally Posted by Frappacino View Post
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[snipage] ...blah, blah, blah another post about what Nokia should or shouldn't do injected into a thread that has nothing to do with that.... [/snipage]

...As for the rules themselves - well I find it funny the starting threads expressing your disappointment with the N900 is considered trolling, but threads like "I LOVE MY N900 TO DEATH" or "MEEGO WILL DESTROY IPHONE/IPAD" are considered the opposite. When you have such bias/imbalances in the measuring stick used for censorship, well, claims of future even handedness in the enforcement of these rules are a bit of a joke.
These aren't rules so much as they are a code of conduct that up until recently went without saying.

Starting threads about anything N900 has always been encouraged. When someone is dissatisfied with their device they post, just like anyone else.

That's not trolling. When all the options that this forum can give that person have been exhausted and it becomes clear that they are dissatisfied with Nokia the company or in most cases Vodaphone because they are now stuck in a 2 year contract, that then becomes off topic.
There is no Nokia forum or Vodafone forum on TMO.

Trolling would be when that dissatisfied Nokia or Vodafone customer or anyone else for that matter then posts in other threads in order to find company in their misery or to provoke a response that is along the lines of their off topic rant to begin with.

I agree that anti anything threads are not good for anyone so I usually ignore them. I think you will find most members do as well.

We do have a competitors forum so they do not start out off topic but I believe that the competitor forum was made to show what features are being developed by others. It was designed like most things here, to provide an environment where something of value can be produced for everyone.

To that end, working members would compare, replicate, and at times enhance those features and then make them available for our tablets. In some cases like Android, the public (not just members) got their first glimpse of this OS on something other then a bread board when someone ran its initial code dump on an N810 over 2 years ago as I recall.

But (the heaviest sigh I can lay on you), just like the rest of this forum, it wasn't designed for rants pro or con and no one had to tell any one how to act before.
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#195
Originally Posted by YoDude View Post
The one thing no one has mentioned is the "report this post" feature. Previously what were we reporting if we used it?

Now there is something to base a report on. I imagine moderators get an e-mail or other electronic notification when a post is
reported. These can be very helpful when they contain useful information. They are a humongous PITA when they are from the same two or three people reporting each others posts in a thread when they disagree.
E-Mail and yes some of those E-Mails are about two or three people pulling knives.
But not even moderators use it like it could be: Flandry asking in a post for further moving posts not related. If he wants that recognized he needs to use the button too (found it cause I tried to follow the guy I was hired to hunt down).
Make use of it! Point to another thread to merge with. Request a move. Don't reply the troll, ask the moderators to handle it if a troll hijacked your educated conversation. So click the "Report This" button more often for useful things!
Requesting anything from mods in threads will be found by accident not on purpose. Speaking for me, I don't search for terms like "could a mod" or "mod please".

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Originally Posted by KapCaveman View Post
I might have missed some posts but which rules do you disagree with and on what grounds?
I second that. If you have some educated thoughts on this topic try to get them of your chest in a way people are not offended by and they might listen, you'd be surprised!

The following is an example how "not to do"! Criticizing is the key element of any discussion. To simply disagree can be held as criticism as well but without giving a reason. ("That's all against what I do!"
is not a good reason in this case.)
Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
Sorry i disagree and it should at least be looked at WITHOUT critisising.
For the points-system... I am not a friend of a such but understand the use of tracking misbehaviour in general. Banning people because they hit the 100... what if they hit 100 minor things in one thread because of a little war starting off?

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talk.maemo.org is a gathering place for people of many ideas but a common goal and disagreement with ideas is not an excuse to be disagreeable towards other community members.
Attacking any member will be considered as violating the "No abuse, insults or personal attacks" rule.

That's to be placed somewhere else I guess.
"If you have any problems with any of the staff, please PM or email the Administrator(s). "

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Reported members attacking other members via other means (PM, Email Member Feature, Social Groups, Gallery, etc.) will get the corresponding infraction points.
Within TMO?! This can be held as we protect all maemo members against all bad of the worlds. Point out the exact maemo.org environment (we have a gallery?) or replace the "via" part with "within maemo.org", can't get a clear frase on that. Sounds odd to me.

What you think?
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But not even moderators use it like it could be: Flandry asking in a post for further moving posts not related. If he wants that recognized he needs to use the button too (found it cause I tried to follow the guy I was hired to hunt down).
I actually deliberately put that in a post as a reminder to not continue to go off topic. I know Texrat has been following the conversation and has mod rights in this forum, so no worries.


For the points-system... I am not a friend of a such but understand the use of tracking misbehaviour in general. Banning people because they hit the 100... what if they hit 100 minor things in one thread because of a little war starting off?
Now you're overlooking my comment that has been repeated twice and added to the OP: the rules and infractions are to help maintain order, not to be used mindlessly.

Respect all Community Members
talk.maemo.org is a gathering place for people of many ideas but a common goal and disagreement with ideas is not an excuse to be disagreeable towards other community members.
Attacking any member will be considered as violating the "No abuse, insults or personal attacks" rule.

That's to be placed somewhere else I guess.
"If you have any problems with any of the staff, please PM or email the Administrator(s). "

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Within TMO?! This can be held as we protect all maemo members against all bad of the worlds. Point out the exact maemo.org environment (we have a gallery?) or replace the "via" part with "within maemo.org", can't get a clear frase on that. Sounds odd to me.

What you think?
Sorry, I'm having a bit of trouble parsing that. What are you suggesting is changed, and to what?
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Now you're overlooking my comment that has been repeated twice and added to the OP: the rules and infractions are to help maintain order, not to be used mindlessly.
Ah ok I overlooked that sry, thought its some kind of automatic (thats what IPB for example has as default).
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Sorry, I'm having a bit of trouble parsing that. What are you suggesting is changed, and to what?

This
Respect Forum Moderators, Administrators and Members
If you have any problems with any of the staff, please PM or email the Administrator(s). Attacking any forum staff will be considered as violating the "No abuse, insults or personal attacks" rule. talk.maemo.org is a gathering place for people of many ideas but a common goal (the use, development of, and promotion of Maemo-related devices and software) and disagreement with ideas is not an excuse to be disagreeable towards other community members.
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Respect all Community Members
talk.maemo.org is a gathering place for people of many ideas but a common goal and disagreement with ideas is not an excuse to be disagreeable towards other community members.
Attacking any member will be considered as violating the "No abuse, insults or personal attacks" rule.
and putting this elsewhere
"If you have any problems with any of the staff, please PM or email the Administrator(s). "
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And this is not coming clear as in "not clear where this takes action"
Reported members attacking other members via other means (PM, Email Member Feature, Social Groups, Gallery, etc.) will get the corresponding infraction points.
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I actually deliberately put that in a post as a reminder to not continue to go off topic. I know Texrat has been following the conversation and has mod rights in this forum, so no worries.
I know but gives a good example as I found one just like this from a non moderator not knowing that not all threads are read by mods.
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Ah ok I overlooked that sry, thought its some kind of automatic (thats what IPB for example has as default).
It may be automated; what i meant was that, when giving out infractions, a moderator will see what infractions exist and will know what the total points will be. Unless it's desirable to have the user permanently banned, he can then decide to not give multiple infractions such that the total results in a permban.

This

to
and putting this elsewhere
Well i hijacked Reggie's section, which was specifically on not attacking the mods, to make it refer to everyone. There's actually language earlier in the text that requests that all be treated with respect and not attacked. I think his original intent for the section was to point out specifically that attacking mods is also covered by the "no personal attacks" and "treat others with respect" instructions, so i don't think the changes are desirable. It's intended to specify admins/mods in that section.

And this is not coming clear as in "not clear where this takes action"
I moved that sentence and reworded it. It now reads like this:

Infraction points will be given for misbehavior in public forum communications as well as for attacking other members in other ways (PM, Email Member Feature, Social Groups, Gallery, etc.), if it is reported. The following are the assigned infraction points for specific violations:
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It's intended to specify admins/mods in that section.

I moved that sentence and reworded it. It now reads like this:

Infraction points will be given for misbehavior in public forum communications as well as for attacking other members in other ways (PM, Email Member Feature, Social Groups, Gallery, etc.), if it is reported. The following are the assigned infraction points for specific violations:
[1]It is a policy or guideline and doubling stuff isn't a good idea as such policies have to be as short as possible to have people read them actually. Speaking of "Community Members" or "Members and Admins and Mods" is just the same group of people and "Admins and Mods" are already part of "Members". I know what the intention is but there is no good reason I can come up with to have that mentioned twice and not even a little light of a reason why it should be for Admins and Mods written down in a separate TOP.

[2]"public forum communications as well as for attacking other members in other ways...if it is reported." still does say that we follow people to facebook. That battleground is not mentioned, something like "within maemo.org" and you can get rid of that list in brackets. reads like this then:
"Infraction points will be given for misbehavior in public forum communications as well as for attacking other members in other ways within maemo.org, if it is reported. The following are the assigned infraction points for specific violations:"

In that way you don't miss anything and maintain the clear border of "within maemo.org property"
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[1]It is a policy or guideline and doubling stuff isn't a good idea as such policies have to be as short as possible to have people read them actually. Speaking of "Community Members" or "Members and Admins and Mods" is just the same group of people and "Admins and Mods" are already part of "Members". I know what the intention is but there is no good reason I can come up with to have that mentioned twice and not even a little light of a reason why it should be for Admins and Mods written down in a separate TOP.
Well, as i said, i've already added to the original intent of Reggie's proposed text in that section to reinforce that it applies to everyone and don't know all his reasoning behind it. I'll leave further changes of it up to him. It can be left as-is, reverted back to not talk about the general community and thus not double up (as it is in his original post in mod/council forum), changed to remove mention of moderators and administrators and just reinforce the requirement to behave respectfully towards all, or simply removed.

[2]"public forum communications as well as for attacking other members in other ways...if it is reported." still does say that we follow people to facebook. That battleground is not mentioned, something like "within maemo.org" and you can get rid of that list in brackets. reads like this then:
"Infraction points will be given for misbehavior in public forum communications as well as for attacking other members in other ways within maemo.org, if it is reported. The following are the assigned infraction points for specific violations:"

In that way you don't miss anything and maintain the clear border of "within maemo.org property"
You're telling me i can't be facebook monitor now?

Okay, i'll specify within maemo.org. Have you considered a career in law?
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