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2010-07-07
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Originally Posted by mmurfin87
Now that's just insane. You'd bankrupt the country and set up a very nice system for future brainwashing attempts.
I almost believe a college education should be a requirement for citizenship. I'm not talking just for immigration, I'm talking for EVERYONE. Born here or not, if you're not educated you shouldn't vote.
But going back to what I said earlier, it's not just about intelligence. You need to be intelligent enough to understand the issues, yes, but you don't want to have to check the internet for corporate abuse every time you buy a coffee maker or a new brand of vegetables. (And who's going to enforce trademark law anyway?)
Today people don't even take the time to research complex products, such as computers, and that's something we might be able to work on in the education system.
Last edited by jnwi; 2010-07-07 at 06:05.
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2010-07-07
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#33
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As opposed to free speech today? Look up "The Love Police" on youtube.
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2010-07-07
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#34
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no, there was no opposition implied by the title.
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2010-07-07
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#35
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I like your rebuttals so please dont take my brevity now as an insult. im just tired and busy so Im going to be short.
The point is that a well educated population will be less likely to do stupid things at all levels. Consumers will be less likely to do blatantly stupid things, corporate executives will be less likey to stupid greedy moves (because they really are stupid and will lose money more than they make it), and gov't officials will be less likely to engage in stupid attempts at brainwashing.
Originally Posted by jnwi
I dont understand how you think the country would go bankrupt. I'm not saying the government should finance it all. Although it would be a good investment for any government. The more its citizens know, the more money they can make, the more taxes the gov't can collect. I think there are plenty of ways to reform/partially-privatize education that will simultaneously improve it and make it more efficient.
Now that's just insane. You'd bankrupt the country and set up a very nice system for future brainwashing attempts.
Originally Posted by jnwi
Barcode Scanning Corporate Research App. Done. Scan the barcode of the product you want to buy and pull down ready information telling ypu everything you need to know. I already use my n900 to browse NewEgg and Amazon prices/reviews when I'm at Best Buy.
But going back to what I said earlier, it's not just about intelligence. You need to be intelligent enough to understand the issues, yes, but you don't want to have to check the internet for corporate abuse every time you buy a coffee maker or a new brand of vegetables. (And who's going to enforce trademark law anyway?)
Today people don't even take the time to research complex products, such as computers, and that's something we might be able to work on in the education system.
The point is that a well educated population will be less likely to do stupid things at all levels. Consumers will be less likely to do blatantly stupid things, corporate executives will be less likey to stupid greedy moves (because they really are stupid and will lose money more than they make it), and gov't officials will be less likely to engage in stupid attempts at brainwashing.
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2010-07-07
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#36
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Originally Posted by mmurfin87
Short is good
I like your rebuttals so please dont take my brevity now as an insult. im just tired and busy so Im going to be short.
Originally Posted by mmurfin87
But this is limited. You need the lower levels of workers too or the higher levels can't function.
I dont understand how you think the country would go bankrupt. I'm not saying the government should finance it all. Although it would be a good investment for any government. The more its citizens know, the more money they can make, the more taxes the gov't can collect.
Even if the government didn't finance it, that would remove 4 years of working life from everyone, regardless of whether their preferred work needed the degree. That's an unsustainable cost to the economy.
Originally Posted by mmurfin87
This is certainly true. I just wouldn't go too far.
The point is that a well educated population will be less likely to do stupid things at all levels. Consumers will be less likely to do blatantly stupid things, corporate executives will be less likey to stupid greedy moves (because they really are stupid and will lose money more than they make it), and gov't officials will be less likely to engage in stupid attempts at brainwashing.
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2010-07-08
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Originally Posted by mmurfin87
Absolutely not. Taking away a mans voice leaves him with no other choice but to become violent.
True, there are people out there who really are mentally challenged and will unfortunately probably never be able to complete high school. Its a sad but true fact.
That said, the VAST majority of people are capable of doing great things. They're just not prompted to do it for various reasons.
I almost believe a college education should be a requirement for citizenship. I'm not talking just for immigration, I'm talking for EVERYONE. Born here or not, if you're not educated you shouldn't vote.
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2010-07-08
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Education and intelligence are two different things... AFAIK, there's evidence that education makes people more intelligent (while most of us think that you need to be intelligent to receive proper education.)
mmurfin87, not every person is above average intelligence. Not every person has a good grasp of abstract thinking. Etc etc. I'd like to think education is the solution, too, but it isn't for everyone. Some people will just not get the concepts we're discussing. Even the simple ones. And I know too many, personally...
I'm with mmurfin87 on this. Things don't work without education. Politics, economy, social life... it all gets out of hand if people aren't able to make sound decisions based on facts and reason.
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2010-07-08
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Originally Posted by Laughingstok
Agreed.
Taking away a mans voice leaves him with no other choice but to become violent.
I did say I "almost" believed it. It sounds good to say that stupid people shouldn't vote (until they "earned" it by getting "educated"), but there are so many caveats that its an untenable idea.
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2010-07-08
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Several points:
1. "and if I really say it, the radio won't play it, so I'll just have to lay it
between the lines" Old Peter Paul and Mary hit, "I dig rock n roll music"
2. "AFAIK, there's evidence that education makes people more intelligent "
This is an interesting issue in itself. Intelligence is SUPPOSED to be this inherent thing detected by IQ tests. Someone made it up as a concept, then found evidence for its existence.
However, the fact that various exercises CAN change your intelligence as measured, proves to me that the original concept was false. So there really is no such thing as intelligence in general as a static thing.
3. I have realized more and more that companies have no interest in freedom. It became really clear to me the first time I took a drug test. This was for a job in which it was very important that I not run people over or otherwise endanger their safety. Right, I was applying for a job as an editor, and you can imagine what I might do to people if I had once smoked marijuana! I might mess up subject-verb agreement!
4. I have often suspected that companies search sites like this for information about job candidates. Then, when someone is being considered for a job, these companies go to the hiring agency and say, "we have information about your candidates that you can't get anywhere else!" For a small fee they provide information about the "character" of the job candidates by grabbing their old Internet messages.
I've helped hire many people, and I was never approached by such a service, but I don' t think technology had gotten that far yet. I wonder if it has now?
1. "and if I really say it, the radio won't play it, so I'll just have to lay it
between the lines" Old Peter Paul and Mary hit, "I dig rock n roll music"
2. "AFAIK, there's evidence that education makes people more intelligent "
This is an interesting issue in itself. Intelligence is SUPPOSED to be this inherent thing detected by IQ tests. Someone made it up as a concept, then found evidence for its existence.
However, the fact that various exercises CAN change your intelligence as measured, proves to me that the original concept was false. So there really is no such thing as intelligence in general as a static thing.
3. I have realized more and more that companies have no interest in freedom. It became really clear to me the first time I took a drug test. This was for a job in which it was very important that I not run people over or otherwise endanger their safety. Right, I was applying for a job as an editor, and you can imagine what I might do to people if I had once smoked marijuana! I might mess up subject-verb agreement!
4. I have often suspected that companies search sites like this for information about job candidates. Then, when someone is being considered for a job, these companies go to the hiring agency and say, "we have information about your candidates that you can't get anywhere else!" For a small fee they provide information about the "character" of the job candidates by grabbing their old Internet messages.
I've helped hire many people, and I was never approached by such a service, but I don' t think technology had gotten that far yet. I wonder if it has now?
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That said, the VAST majority of people are capable of doing great things. They're just not prompted to do it for various reasons.
I almost believe a college education should be a requirement for citizenship. I'm not talking just for immigration, I'm talking for EVERYONE. Born here or not, if you're not educated you shouldn't vote.