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2010-07-09
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Originally Posted by pantera1989
And with older iPhones you could actually make phone calls while holding the phone in your hand.
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2010-07-09
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Originally Posted by OVK
[SARCASM]That was on purpose. Apparently they are taking Handsfree to a whole new level.[/SARCASM]
And with older iPhones you could actually make phone calls while holding the phone in your hand.
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2010-07-09
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"This isn't a fashion statement. I mean, who cares about who made your phone?" - there, fixed that.
I buy my phone based on capability and cost. They all deliver almost the same capability. When it came to cost, the BlackBerry, n900, and iPhone were very close, but the n900 won at the end of the day. Now, I threw the iPhone in there as a comparison point. In my list of requirements, you'll see the iPhone got tossed out pretty quick.
If a certain alternative has discriminators, I take those into consideration. For example, the BlackBerry I looked at is capable of using wi-fi for calls. The n900 has open-source software, unique multitasking, composite video out (I haven't seen that before).
I buy my phone based on capability and cost. They all deliver almost the same capability. When it came to cost, the BlackBerry, n900, and iPhone were very close, but the n900 won at the end of the day. Now, I threw the iPhone in there as a comparison point. In my list of requirements, you'll see the iPhone got tossed out pretty quick.
- (required) Reliably make and receive phone calls (I will spare you the sub-requirements of that)
- (required) User-replaceable battery (without tools and only human hands)
- (required) Standard connectors (USB for charging, 3.5 mm for headphones)
- (required) Computer software required only for upgrades. (otherwise, the phone looks like a mass storage device)
- (required) Physical keyboard or keypad (I might relax that)
- (required) Customizable without the carrier interference.
- (important) Web browser
- (important) Instant messaging
- (important) Able to sync contacts, calendars, and mail with Google
- (important) Unlocked
- (nice to have) LED annunciator for new messages, calls, etc.
- (nice to have) A2DP support (for stereo Bluetooth headsets)
If a certain alternative has discriminators, I take those into consideration. For example, the BlackBerry I looked at is capable of using wi-fi for calls. The n900 has open-source software, unique multitasking, composite video out (I haven't seen that before).
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2010-07-09
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@ Tampere, Finland
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Originally Posted by pantera1989
There were still some pretty silly stuff.. Engadget reported with a great sense of urgency that their great leader Joshua Topolsky has a scratch in his iPhone 4 back cover you pretty much need a microscope and a friggin' halogen to see.
But I am not hearing about the iPhone 4 as much as about the iPhone 3G or 3GS. There isn't as much hype and speculation.
But hey, who'd expect scratches in aluminosilicate glass — the same type of glass used in the windshields of helicopters and high-speed trains. Chemically strengthened to be 20 times stiffer and 30 times harder than plastic, the glass is ultradurable and more scratch resistant than ever. It’s also recyclable
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2010-07-09
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Nice one, OVK and thanks for Pantera1989 fr sharing your thoughts.
Most of which concur with mine - perhaps the iPhone craze is starting to run out of momentum?
The three things I think iPhone has broght into the market are:
1) The bar has been raised for smartphones generally.
2) Ease of use has become more important
3) Form factor has become more important
Whilst ease of use and form factor are more present on iPhone4 I agree that the pace of innovation and features generally are slowing up.
I can see a time over the next 12 months or so where iPhone sales will slow up (not fall, but not increase at the same rate) because other Mfrs offer more advanced solutions AND equally impressive form factor AND ease of use.
Ease of use was the Achillies Heel of Symbian, IMO - the average user could not take advantage of it's advanced features.
...and does anbody else think that an iPhone4 in black with a black bumper looks like an N900..?
Most of which concur with mine - perhaps the iPhone craze is starting to run out of momentum?
The three things I think iPhone has broght into the market are:
1) The bar has been raised for smartphones generally.
2) Ease of use has become more important
3) Form factor has become more important
Whilst ease of use and form factor are more present on iPhone4 I agree that the pace of innovation and features generally are slowing up.
I can see a time over the next 12 months or so where iPhone sales will slow up (not fall, but not increase at the same rate) because other Mfrs offer more advanced solutions AND equally impressive form factor AND ease of use.
Ease of use was the Achillies Heel of Symbian, IMO - the average user could not take advantage of it's advanced features.
...and does anbody else think that an iPhone4 in black with a black bumper looks like an N900..?
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2010-07-09
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I thought that TechCrunch video was even racist with those remarks about the Soviet Union, KGB etc. Also, they didn't seem very interested with what Murtazin had to say and in the end admitted to not having listened to a word he said.
To me this is a case of violating the honor of Nokia and Murtazin, in Finnish it's "kunnianloukkaus" which is a criminal offence but for which I can't think of the English word equivalent.
To me this is a case of violating the honor of Nokia and Murtazin, in Finnish it's "kunnianloukkaus" which is a criminal offence but for which I can't think of the English word equivalent.
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2010-07-09
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Originally Posted by cjp
"Libel", perhaps? I don't think there's a case for it here though.
To me this is a case of violating the honor of Nokia and Murtazin, in Finnish it's "kunnianloukkaus" which is a criminal offence but for which I can't think of the English word equivalent.
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2010-07-09
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TechCrunch's posting is just a piece of weak and unprofessional video. No journalism, totally biased, snide remarks, softball questions.
I thought TechCrunch has some quality standards, but I stand corrected. If they had, such a poor piece would never have been posted.
I also hope Sarah Lacy and Paul Carr are not considered to be journalists. If they were journalists, then they were harmful to their profession.
I thought TechCrunch has some quality standards, but I stand corrected. If they had, such a poor piece would never have been posted.
I also hope Sarah Lacy and Paul Carr are not considered to be journalists. If they were journalists, then they were harmful to their profession.
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2010-07-09
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As stupid and irritating as the host was, I think she shows a lot of the current US feeling towards Nokia.
Throwing some personal insight - I was in a meeting earlier today regarding a US client, who wanted to develop smart phone software for their agents and customers. They have a a multi-million $ contract with Pyxis - a tool, think a little like Qt, which can generate cross platform applications for iPhone, Android, Blackberry, and Windows Mobile. No love for Nokia unfortunately.
When it comes to the US, Nokia are seriously in a world of trouble. They've gone beyond the issues of lack of carrier subsidies or network issues, past being a laughing stock and an irrelevance. They just dont feature on the US mindset at all, they just dont exist.
I chatted to my US manager yesterday about the new iPhone, and he asks me if I was an Apple fan lol. So I told him I had a Nokia.. "Ohh a No-key-arr, yeahh. They used to make good stuff, didnt they..."
Uphill struggle doesnt even begin to describe the task..
Throwing some personal insight - I was in a meeting earlier today regarding a US client, who wanted to develop smart phone software for their agents and customers. They have a a multi-million $ contract with Pyxis - a tool, think a little like Qt, which can generate cross platform applications for iPhone, Android, Blackberry, and Windows Mobile. No love for Nokia unfortunately.
When it comes to the US, Nokia are seriously in a world of trouble. They've gone beyond the issues of lack of carrier subsidies or network issues, past being a laughing stock and an irrelevance. They just dont feature on the US mindset at all, they just dont exist.
I chatted to my US manager yesterday about the new iPhone, and he asks me if I was an Apple fan lol. So I told him I had a Nokia.. "Ohh a No-key-arr, yeahh. They used to make good stuff, didnt they..."
Uphill struggle doesnt even begin to describe the task..
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2010-07-09
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But who do you blame for that? Nokia or keep pointing the finger to the market they've not advertised in for... ages?
I can remember wanting the 7160. I had to go from Charleston, SC to Cincinnati, Ohio to find one. That's 641 miles (~1031km) for a mediocre phone that was highly touted for its reception. Which... was 100% true - I lived in an area that was notorious for poor reception. Also was on the road a lot. It did what I needed, 100%. It replaced my 8890, which replaced my 8860.
But I've not been compelled since the Nokia N93i to really look at their phones. I don't know which ones are out that's worth a damn in the US. It's not their sole N-series that came to AT&T... it didn't even have wifi when the rest of the N-series did at that time.
So... yeah. Who do you blame? Let's be realistic.
I can remember wanting the 7160. I had to go from Charleston, SC to Cincinnati, Ohio to find one. That's 641 miles (~1031km) for a mediocre phone that was highly touted for its reception. Which... was 100% true - I lived in an area that was notorious for poor reception. Also was on the road a lot. It did what I needed, 100%. It replaced my 8890, which replaced my 8860.
But I've not been compelled since the Nokia N93i to really look at their phones. I don't know which ones are out that's worth a damn in the US. It's not their sole N-series that came to AT&T... it didn't even have wifi when the rest of the N-series did at that time.
So... yeah. Who do you blame? Let's be realistic.