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2010-07-13 , 00:54
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#81
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How would you feel if you ended up on the receiving end of a lawsuit because a company didn't know where you got your information.
Because I'm not in the corporate espionage world, I imagine I'd feel just a bit different than he does. He played the game, now he appears to be losing it -- massively different than your hypothetical (and ridiculous) situation of losing without ever playing, isn't it?

It is a known fact that Nokia hand out prototypes to their staff. This is Nokia trying to find a leak within their own company and destroying someones life in the process. Someone who doesn't work for Nokia, doesn't get their information or review units from Nokia and has no access to Nokia manufacturing facilities.
I have a hard time seeing this as Nokia "destroying [his] life", or feeling the sympathy you seem to.

Y'know, it's not like an ordinary guy just going about his business is suddenly entangled in Nokia's leaks for no reason. He sought out information and prototypes/access to prototypes, knowing that he was likely violating trade secret laws, and encouraging others (i.e. his Nokia contact(s)) to violate trade secret laws; one can only assume he knew the risks.

It's not (AFAIK) like Nokia is changing the laws, or that he was in any way prevented from knowing them when he started out, so it seems like he knew the rules, and decided to play anyway. In that context, I just can't see how Nokia "doing it lawfully" can be anything but fair; he gambled, knowing the odds, and lost.

And I love how you take Nokia's assertions as nothing, and his "official statement" as absolute truth.
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2010-07-13 , 01:34
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Forgive me for not believing Nokia. It's not like Nokia has ever lied or contradicted themselves right?
 
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2010-07-13 , 02:08
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If Nokia would refrain from putting out such crap prototypes and phones he wouldn't be giving them bad reviews and this wouldn't be an issue.

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Originally Posted by DuSStyBottoms22 View Post
If Nokia would refrain from putting out such crap prototypes and phones he wouldn't be giving them bad reviews and this wouldn't be an issue.

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Good reviews or bad reviews is not the problem here, the problem is the device being reviewed by that guy is an unreleased prototype model and it is not belonging to him. He is possessing Nokia's properties without Nokia acknowledgement and permission. He is still a thief. In my own opinion, anyone possessing something that isn't belonging to them legally is a thief. In this case he deserves it.
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Forgive me for not believing Nokia. It's not like Nokia has ever lied or contradicted themselves right?
Forgive me if I don't take a logical fallacy as a serious rebuttal.
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Again, he had access to it, he didn't have possession of it. Someone else broke the NDA not him. He is only being targetted because Nokia don't know who else to target. Lets not put unique identifiers on the device body and interface. Lets have the cops search someones house and drag him through the courts to "send a message".

This is nothing more than bullying through financial clout. If I told the cops that Nokia breached my privacy by sending a message to HQ from my phone without my permission, they would NOT go the Nokia HQ and search all their computers. They would tell me to stop wasting police time.
 
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It's all speculation and the truth will probably come out under oath. The return of the prototype is what Nokia is after mostly...
 

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You must be joking. He has clearly stated himself he has the device, and now contradicts himself. He even brags he has the qwerty version with him on vacation. He says he has managed to get 46 hours of music playback from the device, a remarkable feat considering he "only had it for a few hours".

Nokia is doing what it should do.
 

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Originally Posted by harp View Post
Again, he had access to it, he didn't have possession of it. Someone else broke the NDA not him. He is only being targetted because Nokia don't know who else to target. Lets not put unique identifiers on the device body and interface. Lets have the cops search someones house and drag him through the courts to "send a message".

This is nothing more than bullying through financial clout. If I told the cops that Nokia breached my privacy by sending a message to HQ from my phone without my permission, they would NOT go the Nokia HQ and search all their computers. They would tell me to stop wasting police time.
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Originally Posted by NOMOS View Post
You must be joking. He has clearly stated himself he has the device, and now contradicts himself. He even brags he has the qwerty version with him on vacation. He says he has managed to get 46 hours of music playback from the device, a remarkable feat considering he "only had it for a few hours".

Nokia is doing what it should do.
...and I think that is the whole point Nokia is exposing by this.

Credibility.

I doubt that getting the device back is as valuable to Nokia as this fellow admitting that he does not have the device. It is a win win for Nokia.

Any "opinion" this fellow offers on any device in the future would be based on what; maybe he has it maybe he doesn't?

In the internet world where this issue actually lives (not the courts), that is like trying to sell unlocked iPhones on EBay without providing pictures.

Maybe you have them, maybe you don't.

Pictures do not prove a thing but it will affect the number of responses your ad receives.

Some have always had doubts about this fellows 'opinion" and have question his motivation in the past.

Others have defended him as some sort of cell phone Deity and doubting his opinion seemed to be treated as blasphemy.

More and more posts like your previous one are now coming to light (thanks). This adds credibility to those who had doubts.

His own contradictory statements on this issue may not change the opinions of those who thought he was some kind of saint but I doubt many more will think so in the future.

I think that is all Nokia expects to regain. The benefit of the doubt.

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