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2010-08-02 , 10:04
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Hello Maemo, I've done a few searches and haven't anything really all that comprehensive. Does anyone know of an existing list, which indicates which apps are known to drain battery life in ways outside of their function. (ie, programs continues to scan while closed, draining battery prematurely, etc.)

My N900 is having some real drain issues lately. I've been using a combination of turning the cell radio off, disabling wifi, and forcing deep sleep in an attempt to get more battery life, but I'm still loosing anywhere from 8-12% over the course of a few hours, while the phoen shouldn't be doing anything.

Thanks for any help.

Edit: I'll be editing this post with info I find that is useful to said subject. As I discover apps known to do this I'll put them below (I'll try to provide links to the source where I can):

- Personnel IP App (circumvented if phone is rebooted on a daily basis)
- All Daemons (apps ending with a d, this is not so serious, as their use is mostly very little, but can build up over time, especially with alot running at once) This includes batterygraph and eye.
-fmtx widget
- There is a know hildon bug associated with categorize and apmefo that has to do with reorganization items, and quickly moving between folder items that causes hildon.desktop to continue to run at about 1-5% cpu load. Rebooting or killing hildon.desktop with htop fixes the problem temporarily.
- MaeNotify appears to cause an excessive amount of drain as well.

Edit: Powertop is a useful program to investigate in depth power use. See page 3 for it's use and installation.

Edit: Tho shared a method he uses to track down battery drain issues. Seems very efficient and practical, here is a link to the comment:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...4&postcount=52

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2010-08-02 , 10:11
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I can see a similar problem. Once I reloaded my phone – turn it on and do nothing, my battery drain looks great. But as soon I’ve been once in the INet (Wifi or 3G) or answered a phone call, the battery drain looks much worse than before – this is somehow strange… (running Titan v37 kernel).
 
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2010-08-02 , 10:54
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It would be handy to get a list of apps that cause drain or people suspect to cause drain, would'nt mind trying to find a list of apps that take space on your rootfs as well, so we can try to encourage the developers to optify them, i only have 59mb left, and have no idea which apps are taking the room up.
 
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2010-08-02 , 11:06
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a) 59 root is fine
b) if we had a list they would never make it past -testing
c) do you have extras-testing and -devel enabled?
d) you'll have to cook your own watch before. Get a monitoring app, get conky, get battery-eye and check to see what it does when it does it. Then you can be helped. Repos have some 5000 packages. More specific please?
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2010-08-02 , 11:12
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To start to pinpoint this please provide information on which repositories you activated and a list of installed apps.
The list you get by this cmd in xterminal
Code:
maemo-list-user-packages
to have them handy via Notes make it
Code:
maemo-list-user-packages > /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/Installed_Apps.txt
now it is available under Documents in your filebrowser
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2010-08-02 , 13:54
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I have the following repo's activated:

Both Nokia repos
ovi repo
maemo extras
maemo dev
mozilla

And below is the list of installed apps:

Code:
3g2g-mode-selection-applet 0.4-2 user/desktop 64
abuse 0.7.1-1 user/games 8232
account-plugin-butterfly 0.8 user/network 84
account-plugin-haze 0.8 user/network 148
account-plugin-salut 0.8 user/network 84
adblock-plus-1.0 1maemo0-8 user/network 1548
angrybirds 1.3.4 user/hidden 32188
apmefo 0.9-6 user/system 204
ati85 1.4.1-1 user/science 2059
backupmenu 0.31-2 user/system 84
battery-eye 0.7.0-2 user/utilities 164
batterygraph 0.3.2 user/utilities 356
beneath-a-steel-sky 0.0372-3maemo8 user/games 71332
bluetooth-dun 1.1-1 user/system 80
bochs 2.3.7-maemo2 user/other 2204
bootmenu-n900 1.8 user/system 72
boswars 2.6.1+r9869-2 user/games 77728
bounce 1.0.1 user/hidden 22036
camkeyd 0.0.2-2 user/system 72
cell-modem-ui 0.5.1-1 user/system 288
conboy 1:0.6.3 user/utilities 508
conky 1.6.1-0maemo5-1.1 user/desktop 680
cpumem-applet 0.0.3 user/utilities 64
cuteexplorer 1.1.1-1 user/utilities 168
d1x-rebirth 0.55.1-5maemo1 user/games 1020
de-lite 1.0.1-1 user/games 268
decoders-support 0.3.4-1 user/multimedia 96
desktop-cmd-exec 1.10 user/desktop 144
docstogo 2.000.315 user/hidden 8152
dosbox 0.73-7maemo5 user/games 2292
drnoksnes 1.3.4 user/games 1260
dtg 1.0.153 user/office 8884
dtg-installer 1.0-4.1.1+0m5 user/other 96
easy-chroot 0.2.5-1fremantle1 user/system 152
easy-deb-chroot 0.9.39-1fremantle1 user/system 2720
eightyone 1.10.20100513-1 user/games 364
fcam-drivers 1.0.5-2 user/multimedia 256
fcamera 0.1.3-1 user/multimedia 580
fennec 1.1 user/hidden 33192
flashlight-applet 0.4-3 user/desktop 248
fm-boost 0.2-2fremantle1 user/system 120
fmradio 2010.03.20 user/multimedia 2172
freeciv-client-sdl 2.1.10-1maemo5v2.3 user/games 2076
gemrb 0.6.0 user/other 43120
gltron 0.70final-9maemo9 user/games 2740
hermes 0.8.5 user/utilities 944
hoopsfrenzy 1.0.5 user/games 3387
htop 0.8.3-1maemo3 user/utilities 192
hymns 20100214 user/religious 96
ines 3.6.9-2 user/games 222
ioquake3 1558-maemo6 user/games 1760
joikuspot 1.2.2 user/hidden 1036
kmplayer 0.10.5-2 user/multimedia 816
kobodeluxe 0.5.1-5maemo6 user/games 628
leafpad 0.8.17le-0maemo1 user/utilities 944
libzeemote-conf 1.0.1-maemo7 user/games 120
maenotify 0.4 user/system 60
mc 1:4.6.2-pre1-1maemo10 user/utilities 7752
mg 2.6.5-1 user/games 301
mirror 2.1-1 user/multimedia 188
mp-fremantle-002-pr 10.2010.19-1.002 user/system
mplayer 1.0svn20091221-4 user/multimedia 18612
nhouselite 1.0.0 user/hidden 26960
numptyphysics 0.3.0.9 user/games 748
offscr-airport 1.0.2 user/hidden 1288
offscr-electric-beams 1.0.3 user/hidden 1404
offscr-labyrinth-lite 1.0.4 user/hidden 1604
ogg-support 1.0.5 user/multimedia 136
omweather 0.28.2 user/desktop 3432
omweather-weather-com-stations-db 0.9.18 user/desktop 3500
onedotzero 1.0.2 user/multimedia 580
openarena 0.8.1-maemo1 user/games 2912
openjazz 0.1-5 user/games 576
openssh-client 1:5.1p1-6.maemo5 user/network 1192
openssh-server 1:5.1p1-6.maemo5 user/network 456
openttd 0.7.4-1maemo3 user/games 2464
opentyrian 0.3-1 user/games 12268
openvpn 5:2.1~rc20-3maemo3 user/network 880
openvpn-applet 0.5.3-1 user/desktop 136
opera-mobile 10alpha1-3~fremantle0 user/network 14772
osso-applet-screencalibration-fix 1.12-6 user/system 88
pc-connectivity-manager 0.7.13 user/utilities 364
personal-ip-address 0.4-2 user/desktop 272
picodrive 1.35-1 user/games 960
pidgin 2.6.6-1nix0 user/network 4748
pidgin-maemo-docklet 0.0.1-4 user/network 96
presencevnc 0.2 user/utilities 340
proximityd 0.2.2 user/system 88
psx4all 0.3.9 user/games 928
purple-extra-protocols 2.6.6-1nix0 user/network 180
pygtkeditor 3.0.14-1 user/development 568
pymaemo-optify 0.4 user/hidden 72
qcpufreq 0.3.2-1 user/system 280
qtirreco 0.3.1-1 user/utilities 1820
queen-beecon 1.0.0.1 user/desktop 396
quick-launch 0.5 user/desktop 188
rootsh 1.8 user/system 32
scavenger 1.4.5-0maemo3 user/games 832
scummvm 1.1.1 user/games 10716
searchtool 0.1-7 user/utilities 228
shortcutd 0.1.3-1 user/system 240
simple-brightness-applet 1.4-1 user/desktop 96
soccerfrenzy 1.0.2 user/games 3197
sopwith 1.7.1-4maemo5 user/games 200
spb-tv 1.0-6 user/hidden 536
ssh-status 0.1-6 user/desktop 128
supertux-stable 0.1.3-1.1maemo13 user/games 528
tecnoballz 0.92-4 user/games 3336
telepathy-extras 0.8 user/network 36
transmission 1:1.76-1maemo0 user/network 1620
ttf-droid 1.01-dfsg0maemo3 user/graphics 4392
tutorial-home-applet 0.6.14+0m5 user/support 1272
tweakflashver 0.2-maemo5 user/utilities 200
tweakr 0.0.17-2 user/system 228
uqm 0.6.7-0maemo5 user/games 1552
uqm-3do-data 0.6.7-0maemo user/games 130904
vgba 3.6.8-2 user/games 418
vncviewer 0.6.6-fremantle8 user/network 252
wifieye 1.0-3 user/network 256
wiicontrol 1.0 user/system 96
wireshark 1.2.6-0maemo1 user/network 1868
xulrunner 1.9.2.1+rc2 user/network 28744
zip 2.32-1maemo2 user/tools 168
For the record I have already tried using battery graph to solve this. The problem is that battery graph doesn't tell you which process caused the battery usage to spike (that is perhaps too strong of a word, it's not going all out, it's just elevated). Running conky doesn't help anything either, as when the phone is active (screen on) the processes shuffle.

I will also add that my N900 has had the wifi bug since I've gotten it, and 1.2 has done nothing for that. (I have to reboot after using wi-fi or loose a ton of battery)

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2010-08-02 , 15:16
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The main battery drain I have seen is yesterday when I had a Fennec/Firefox process hang and take up 99% of the CPU. It ate most of my battery in under an hour. I had put it back on my belt and the next time I pulled it out, I noticed that the device was warm to the touch, and fired up conky to see if anything was eating the CPU. Sure enough, there was that stray Fennec process...While I prefer tabbed browsing instead of opening multiple disparate windows, I am going to be very circumspect about my use of Firefox for a bit, or I'll use iceweasel from Debian...

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2010-08-02 , 16:13
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I see you have apmefo installed, so I assume your using custom folders for your menu?

If so, there is a bug in hildon-desktop that will cause it to run at 4-9% continuously after run access the app menu. See either apmefo or catagorize threads for more info. This can cause the batter to drain rather quickly.
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2010-08-02 , 16:31
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For any curiou son more specifics relative to Lemmyslender's post, here is the bug tracker link for said battery drain:

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10412

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2010-08-02 , 16:53
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Sometimes microb is left hogging cpu for me

Sometimes wifi is left active doing nothing at all despite phone using edge for data..
 
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