Originally Posted by Texrat

That wasn't what you said. I'm responding to your specific words.

Originally Posted by H3llb0und

I did not say that there is a post or any other official word from Nokia stating anything. Actions speak louder than words.

I'm sorry but English is not my first language.
If you are going to take this discussion into semantics or whatever, I'm out.

I don't know if you meant me.. but one thing I can offer:

Some of us don't see the point in constantly complaining about **** we can't change.. so we work on the projects we're involved in and make our devices as much what we want them to be as we can.

Just because someone doesn't flood every thread going "Gosh, Nokia Sucks!" doesn't make them a fanboy. Same goes for just because someone says "That's not actually Nokia's fault".. because not everything can be blamed on someone else.

Originally Posted by fatalsaint

Right so now, again, we're back to stuff we can't really do much about.

Originally Posted by imperiallight

There were too many users to remember. But main thing is these users often jump at Goodbye threads with snide put downs, label them trolls or worse, put the opposition below Nokia and accepting second rate treatment. Basically anything but acknowledging the posters upset. He once had dreams with his device as well and doesn't deserve to reduced to a number... hes already got that treatment from Nokia.

Originally Posted by gerbick

And for this community to fully support the upcoming Maemo OS, that doesn't bother you that it's considered something that can't be done about yet?

Originally Posted by Texrat

So easy to armchair quarterback. To call names. To lay blame. To ignore effort and accomplishment.

So much more difficult to work one's *** off in such an apparently thankless position.

You think you're disappointed when councl efforts come to nothing, silvermountain? Try putting in the hours I have. Try putting together a community outreach program and, just as you gain momentum after hours and hours and hours of design, review and discussion, the very reason for it disappears. Try writing and maintaining a blog partially dedicated to the community and having to stay on top of it to delete the juvenile nastygrams left by anonymous cowards. Try countless emails about community issues to various executives with no replies.

Try bending over backwards for myriad members of a community, some of whom leave petty, churlish posts like yours here as a "reward" for the effort.

As a community leader, council member or otherwise, I have gone to bat for this place and its people-- including you in all your nasty ingratitude. I was the one staying after work to dig through spare N800 parts, slicing my fingers on faceplates in the process, and mailing them out free to anyone who asked. I was the one who put my job at risk, angering people like Quim by challenging the tablet program to do better by the community. I'm the one enduring all the grief that malcontents like you dish out at a distance, in such cowardly fashion, because I'm stupid enough to care about people I'll never meet.

And that goes for every council member who's ever served.

Unstructured? Maybe to the anal retentive. Incompetent? An ironic assessment. Powerless and ineffective? Sure, at times. But only a complete idiot would confuse Nokia's monolithic resistance to change with the fault of five community people who care enough to devote their free time to that "futility".

What have YOU done?

Unbelieveable.

Originally Posted by Texrat

We report every major community issue to Nokia. Usually ad nauseum. I'm still trying to understand how Nokia's resulting inaction is our fault. Help me out.

Originally Posted by Texrat

So easy to armchair quarterback. To call names. To lay blame. To ignore effort and accomplishment.

Originally Posted by Texrat

What have YOU done?

Unbelieveable.