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2010-08-11 , 03:23
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Originally Posted by silvermountain View Post
I that in a nutshell shows how inadequately equipped/staffed/organized the "Council" is (sorry for using quotation marks but I swear I can't take that 'organization' seriously).

If you time after time after time do something and you don't get any reaction or response - then why keep doing it in the same way?

Arrange sit-downs (virtual/physical with Nokia representatives), ask for key contacts that you can go through and set expectations in terms of what you can expect from them, arrange for petitions/signatures for main issues, use other channels (gizmodo/techcrunch, etc, etc) to let Nokia know about that there are things that needs to be fixed, etc, etc.

And if none of that, and other attempts doesn't work - then it is obvious that as a 'Council' you have no purpose and that your tag-line is useless and the whole thing should be phased out.

Sorry to be harsh but to have as a defense and reason for existence that you 'try but never get anything done' is very, very weak and it might just be time to man up and realize that Nokia does not take this 'body' seriously.
The truly funny part is, I think you actually believe that what you just wrote is it. You actually assume no one on the council thought to try what you suggest. And you actually slam people for trying.

Simply incredible... in the most literal sense of the word.
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The truly funny part is, I think you actually believe that what you just wrote is it. You actually assume no one on the council thought to try what you suggest. And you actually slam people for trying.

Simply incredible... in the most literal sense of the word.
I rest my case.
Qwerty12 was more insightful than I realized.

And on that note I feel that even I am taking this too much down to a personal level so I will bow out unless it continues at a bit higher level.
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Dude I'm sure people appreciate the work, but come on at the feet of Maemo obsolescence can the Maemo council sit and not say what community members are feeling. The N900 non-support was a raw deal, the flash issue not coming to light is becoming bothersome, Nokia hardware repair being anal for some issues, the WONTFIX bugs beginning to creep up, lack of Ovi Maps navigation ... and so on and so forth.

I think you guys fight on these behalfs, but behind closed doors which is not good enough to expedite Nokia to do anything.
I'm really confused. Are you wanting public fighting? I think the method we've adopted is more appropriate overall: take the fights private and make the results public. That's exactly what's been happening.

But I could be wrong in that conclusion. I created the Ask the Council thread so you guys could offer us guidance, challenges. Have you taken advantage of it? I'm being serious here.

How many of those slamming or otherwise questioning council moves and motives have engaged us constructively? Help me out! I am just one person. WE are just 5.
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I rest my case.
Qwerty12 was more insightful than I realized.
Your continued insults are appreciated.

Am I doing it right?
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How many of those slamming or otherwise questioning council moves and motives have engaged us constructively? Help me out! I am just one person. WE are just 5.
Wait.. so a council can't represent a community if it won't tell them what they want?

What kinda crap is this?!? Pshaw.. I totally want my money back. I thought I was buying psychics here...
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Your continued insults are appreciated.

Am I doing it right?
Rather exemplary actually.

Having said that I don't think that personal mudslinging is very productive so I do apologize for my part in getting it to that point.

I do however still feel the same about the "Council" in its current shape but don't see any need to attack any individual on it as the poor results may very well had been the same regardless of who was/is on it.

The whole "Don't think we're not doing any work just because we don't tell you about it" just doesn't cut it in a community that believe in full transparency and openness and have quite a few members that are managers, project managers, etc, etc where communication and setting expectations are part of our lives.
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We report every major community issue to Nokia. Usually ad nauseum. I'm still trying to understand how Nokia's resulting inaction is our fault. Help me out.
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The truly funny part is, I think you actually believe that what you just wrote is it. You actually assume no one on the council thought to try what you suggest. And you actually slam people for trying.

Simply incredible... in the most literal sense of the word.
Originally Posted by silvermountain View Post
I rest my case.
Qwerty12 was more insightful than I realized.
I see value in both sides of your arguments, despite what you may think. I have to wonder whether this was Nokia's intention from the start.

Set up a community site and a council to take all the public flack, give the maemo community heads no real influence or control over Maemo but the appearance of it (at least, at first) so that Nokia itself doesn't have to look bad.

I've said many times that the Maemo folks and even the Nokia engineers are probably not at all to blame, but I REALLY am convinced that the corporate overlords at the executive and management level where decisions are being made are perfectly happy with their wages, contracts and aren't really interested in technology or with customers.
 
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Don't mean to intterupt but could someone point me in the direction of the "Ask the Council thread" just wanting to go read.

Search seems to be broken or not finding it, maybe I will try google as well.

Sorry to derail a little ^^;;

Nevermind found it, sorry again for the post ^^ carry on
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Wait.. so a council can't represent a community if it won't tell them what they want?

What kinda crap is this?!? Pshaw.. I totally want my money back. I thought I was buying psychics here...
I'LL GIVE YOU A PIECE OF MY MIND!!! [stares intensely!]
 

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Don't mean to intterupt but could someone point me in the direction of the "Ask the Council thread" just wanting to go read.

Search seems to be broken or not finding it, maybe I will try google as well.

Sorry to derail a little ^^;;

Nevermind found it, sorry again for the post ^^ carry on
There's a community subforum at http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=16 for most of everything related...

The actual "Ask the Council" thread is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41451
 

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