Yes, yes. Goodbye, potential. We hardly got to know you.

Lol, you're on a roll tonight .

Hey Texrat I did not see the Ask the Council section, but giving it a quick perusal I see some of my concerns has been asked. Also I will make better use of that area.

The Council or its effectiveness is not my concern, I'm after Nokia and I know that my best asset is a community effort. I am now seeing that what I want can't even be achieved here. Reason being that a Maemo site advocating for a Maemo phone to support Meego is out of the scope of this site, but that although are my motivations. I strongly believe that Nokia made the wrong decision in stopping short of full support for Meego on the N900. They have not provided a cogent reason, nor is the suddenness of the change the right thing for the consumer. Whatever the rationale provided, Nokia ripped customers off when it came to the N900 and we should fight for the problem to be rectified.

Now I will make my grievances known to Friends and Family ... my entire group of Friends don't trust Nokia anymore and some of my family still have a couple of E-series phones good phones ... but I will convince them to move to a BB on their next qwerty business phone. I will also take it public to websites like Boy Genius, Giz, Engadget, arsTechnica, techcrunch, and etc... might join in on some good ol' North American Nokia bashing. Maybe some of us should consider making a "Meego for N900" advocacy group website/ forum/ blog where we can better manage the PR machine ... and would give us more independence from this site, its rules, and proximity to Nokia.

For Maemo issue's no doubt this is the place to go to ... for direct Nokia policy related issue we need to take it out of Maemo.org and avoid these kinds of hostilities with fellow members as this is not the councils jurisdiction and above their mandate, they handle Maemo related issues (please look into the Flash delay/ absence).

For Maemo although a public memo should still be done saying that the community believes in the Maemo OS to be a robust modern day OS for mobile and in home uses. It has a large user base, and a viable development platform. Nokia's decision to go to Meego does not underscore the efficacy of Maemo to be a standalone OS, nor does it dampen the strengths with which the Open Source community currently associate Maemo with. Also Maemo will continue to have a bright future in the mobile arena for the years to come.

That memo should serve as a reminder that this is Maemo, and not Meego related. It will show that the council and the community is independent of Nokia's erratic corporate dealings and that the community still sees purpose in Maemo whether it be Harmattan or Fremantle.

if Maemo died that day, there would not have been PR 1.2, nor there would be PR 1.3 which I believe will deliver.

I'm also not sugar coating Nokia, I'm just a bit bored of these "Nokia didn't do as I want, so Nokia SUCKS!!!"-threads. I tend to look at the bigger picture, which is why I understand the decision to concentrate all effort to Meego, even if I cannot understand why Nokia decided not to support MeeGo on N900. For me Maemo 5 is still just one iteration of OS and N900 just a gadget I happen to like as it is. I'm unlikely to buy MeeGo device just one year after N900, I rather see this device through and upgrade only if there is concrete need for it. I also repeat what I have said before: I knew what I was buying, so I don't have that much to complain and I suggest that such devices should not be bought based on speculation and idea that "I want it to be like this or that, so manufacturer X MUST update it to what I WANT or I'll rant about it as long as there's a single forum to write to".

Yes everybody is entitled to have an opinion, but if you can't give it without that kind of language and personal attacks and insults then you should just keep silent cause you will just end up hurting people that way and that might be what he intented for some reason. Well he must feel hurt/decieved by some people. And who wouldn't get hurt/angry and offencive by an approach like that from qwerty regardless of his deeper intentions. Me for one (rhetorical nor am i mentioned or feel stepped on by his rant)

And there's no actually being right or wrong since everybody got there own truth and experience of a specific event. There's facts that you can either accept or deny and mold in to your own 'truth' and further more it's really easy to blame others and not one self.

You might be subjective but neither right or wrong cause you're not looking at facts and i doubt that qwerty's rant is full of facts. You seldom look objective and at the facts when you're angry/hurt.

e: with this you don't allow him to his opinion:
Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion and there really is no need bold that you happen to think it was wrong.

Since it wasn't.

No time for idiotic threads like this... people should have more faith in themselves and kick back at fing NOKIA !!!.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Sorry that one made me chortle. I just spilled tea on my keyboard and my boss now knows I am not doing work.

thats fantastic! and it shows nokias ignorance even more.

how do i know? i didnt say its our fault. i said nokia is not reacting to the communities input.

nokia?

i didnt intend to say that the community isnt reporting to nokia. maybe i used the wrongs words.
the community is saying they are in contact with nokia. the community has a lot of threads complaining about missing features, bugs etc. and nearly nothing of that got fixed so far.
ergo its nokia.

I agree! Im on the same boat.....im now even thinking of aborting the wait for nokia's meego handset.....as it will prob turn out to have a similar outcome......how many chances are we going to give nokia really?
And you are right, if it wasn't for the maemo community then we would all be worse off with our n900's, so a great big thank you to everyone one here that continue to help and support us.
I think ill be going for android as well.....will give it a bit more time and see if anything new comes out.