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2010-08-11 , 10:41
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#61
If the council are not a known quantity then it is obvious they have not done anything worthwhile to be recognised which was the point i was trying to make.
 
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2010-08-11 , 10:42
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
The current five ran knowing well we were entering into a likely lame duck situation. None of us were naive. We saw the Maemo sunset like anyone else. We just wanted to do our damndest, to at least TRY-- rather than simply squatting at a keyboard typing out epithets, gripes and invalid assessments of anyone's efforts.
Actually, I at least was a bit naive. I really wanted to push some stuff (like for example multilanguage talk.maemo.org) but right now it would seem like a waste. I didn't envision everything would so quickly slow down.

I really don't know what the future has in store, other than death for m.o. Will meego.com be the next m.o (BOTH from a user point of view, contributor point of view and developer point of view)? Will we need extra sites for handling device-specific issues, as Nokia might be "the junior" in Meego?
 
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2010-08-11 , 10:46
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Originally Posted by cjp View Post
Time and time again I'm surprised at how disillusioned people are about Nokia. Nokia is a huge company that's interests lie in: selling mobile phones.

What part of selling mobiles includes: "granting features to old devices that are not yet found in new devices" or "change platform strategy according to what people say on a supporter forum".

Nokia is a company in for making money. Maemo5 was a final prototype and now as they see that MeeGo is their #1 bet of getting back on top, other things must be put aside or on hold. That is what's causing the lack of support and the crap we deal with month in month out. Leave the Council out of this.
I almost agree with you, but as a "final prototype", Maemo 5 was also supposed to draw in developers so that Harmattan can have plenty of apps ready when it goes mainstream. Having such a negative atmosphere on these forums should count as a major failure from their perspective, and they could have handled many things much better.

It feels like one person came up with the plan to attract developers, and someone less interested in Maemo executed it. That said, I wouldn't call it a disaster, and there's plenty of learning to do on both sides.
 
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2010-08-11 , 10:47
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Originally Posted by abill_uk View Post
If the council are not a known quantity then it is obvious they have not done anything worthwhile to be recognised which was the point i was trying to make.
A possible reason is that you missed the previous election because your account was too young, and you will miss the next election because all people will have left for another device. It has happened in the past; turnover rate is too high here.
 

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2010-08-11 , 10:53
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Originally Posted by javispedro View Post
I really don't know what the future has in store, other than death for m.o. Will meego.com be the next m.o (BOTH from a user point of view, contributor point of view and developer point of view)? Will we need extra sites for handling device-specific issues, as Nokia might be "the junior" in Meego?
My prediction is that things will liven up once the first Meego device(s) is out. But in the same time, I doubt that will happen at meego.com, as the site appears to have completely different purpose from maemo.org. Most of the community (or what of it is left) will most likely stay here, at maemo.org.
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2010-08-11 , 10:53
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I am trying to show that Nokia does not care at all about the N900, and the council, like many other things Nokia does, is designed to make people believe that Nokia does a lot of good things for N900, while not doing anything in fact.
One aspect I forgot to add - IMHO Nokia's stance on it's products and customers is something fairly tangential to the Council. We're not a jury to give 'good Nokia' points when they come with good news and 'bad Nokia' points when they come with bad (or no) news. That task is up to YOU (us just helping you have all the info and not hype-talk from PR speeches or un/misinformed tech-bloggers). The Council is first and foremost there because of the Community (capital C), and talking to Nokia is only part of that (as obviously Nokia's steps have a serious effect on every user). It's easy to say Nokia does nothing, but it is not true (even if that sounds unpopular and I sound as a Nokia apologetic because of that) - at the very least they are footing the bill for the maemo.org infrastructure and staff. It goes without saying, though, there is a whole lot *more* than that that we would like seeing.
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2010-08-11 , 11:06
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Originally Posted by Matan View Post
I am trying to show that Nokia does not care at all about the N900, and the council, like many other things Nokia does, is designed to make people believe that Nokia does a lot of good things for N900, while not doing anything in fact.

About the members of the council, I'd guess that some are hoodwinked by Nokia, while others realise the truth, but hope they can do some good "working from within".
I'm sorry if you see it this way. The story of "good Nokia", "bad Nokia" is somehow pointless and utopistic to me. I only see a device that is quite open, running Linux, having a shell, being fast, etc,etc... and a community of developers, testers and fans around it. In that context, the council is OK.

You seem to have problems with Nokia, but I believe that the problem is with the concept of Nokia. Explain: It seems that you had expectations that were turned over but from my POV they don't exist at first. Anyway, since the problem is with Nokia, what you're asking is to distinguish the role of the council instead of criticizing it. Right?
 

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2010-08-11 , 11:15
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Originally Posted by javispedro View Post

I really don't know what the future has in store, other than death for m.o. Will meego.com be the next m.o (BOTH from a user point of view, contributor point of view and developer point of view)?
Meego.com won't be a place for end-users or manufacturer/device spesific discussion. Or at least that's the feeling I've got from occasional visits there.
 
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2010-08-11 , 11:19
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Originally Posted by Matan View Post
OK, I'll bite: what did the council actually do?

And I expect the answer to be void of "we wrote a letter to Nokia that was ignored".
Wrong. The most recent action we took is to represent to Nokia that we - on behalf of the development community, and the downstream users of the software that the development community write - think that Ovi needs to let in Python applications (specifically PyMaemo (i.e. Hildon) and PyQt/PySide).

This is now something that Quim & Ronan are working on. As I pointed out in my slightly longer post above.
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2010-08-11 , 11:46
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Originally Posted by ysss View Post
would it be reasonable to make a push for a return to InternetTabletTalk forum (With a special maemo section, of course)?
Not in this thread, no - it seems entirely irrelevant to anything discussed above, doesn't it?
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