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#21
Originally Posted by unique311 View Post
so if someone takes apart the update and finds that apple is deliberately killing unlocked phones, will your stance still be the same?
Mine will, mainly because I think it was utterly predictable - whether the bricking is intentional or not makes little difference, as Apple can argue that a non-hacked device will not be bricked, and anything else isn't their problem.
 
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Originally Posted by unique311 View Post
Better yet, should a company be allowed to do so?
I haven't read the warranty, but what does it say about tampering with the device - does it differentiate between hardware and software/firmware? If the software/firmware is tampered with - ie. hacked - I'd expect the warranty to be void so yes, they probably can do this, particularly as they're not forcing the users to update.

Apple are not obliged to support unsupported hacks, and since they gave fair warning that the new update may cause problems on hacked phones I think they covered themselves adequately. Some criticism of Apple may have been warranted if they had given no warning at all, but as they did so I don't have a problem with their approach.


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Originally Posted by geneven View Post
The implication is that Apple is deliberately destroying these phones. I doubt it. I don't think it is unreasonable to ignore other people's hacks when upgrading a phone. And maybe someone can point out where Apple promised that the iPhone would be freely hackable?

If you want freedom, stay away from Apple.
It all reminds me of when IE installs would b0rk Netscape installed on Windows...

Microsoft first started that kind of behavior when people were foolish enough to install DrDOS.

Fortunately Microsoft was checked on that and Apple should be as well.

With MS it was through the courts, with Apple it could be the market that eventually spanks them.

The fact is that their software is b0rking privately owned property. If this is by design then it could be described as malicious...

...So until some lawyer sees some class action $$$'s in his future nothing will change. Even then, Like MS they will learn from their mistakes.
They will continue doing what they were doing but they will have learned how not to get caught.

Even a market spanking wont likely happen. They already broke even with a million sold and I'm sure this latest i-thing is on at least 5 million more holiday gift lists.

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Why is this in general thread?
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Originally Posted by Nik1 View Post
Why is this in general thread?
Because there isn't a 'Pick on someone else's device flaws" section.
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Whats awesome is that people don't understand what bricking is. No iPhones are bricking. Its all fixable, and if you can fix it, its not bricked.

I had 3rd party apps on my phone. Its fine.

If you modify the baseband firmware, it gets flashed back to factory and is locked down with the 1.1.1 firmware, which hasnt been jailbreaked.

All these bloggers are mentally ******ed and dont understand this. So its "bricked".
 
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hahahahhah good for apple!

people were warned, no one held a gun to their head to hack their iphone, no one held a gun to their head to make them update their iphone and when you did hack you iphone, you some how had to know "this will screw something up somewhere" (otherwise it's not a hack, duh).

"may void warranty" applies to most products we buy. Apple is doing no different. If I had a new diesel truck and convert it to use biodiesel and it suddenly stops running, is the truck manufacturer or oil company liable? hahaha of course not.

You may hate apple for whatever reason but they said, the iphone isn't ready for 3rd parts apps officially, and it's just AT&T for now. You buck the system, you take a risk. This may change in the future but for now, it's "We told ya so".
 
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Originally Posted by unique311 View Post
so if someone takes apart the update and finds that apple is deliberately killing unlocked phones, will your stance still be the same?
If someone would find that out, Apple would be in heap big trouble. IIRC, there is jurisprudence in the USA that explicitly prohibits manufacturers of cellular phones to do such a thing.
 
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Originally Posted by Nik1 View Post
Why is this in general thread?
Consider it a group therapy session.

I don't know why more people in the linux world need this sort of group bashing though.. probably an indication of a mass frustration at some common problem of some sort.
 
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#30
Originally Posted by unique311 View Post
so if someone takes apart the update and finds that apple is deliberately killing unlocked phones, will your stance still be the same?
Absolutely. So long as they are not under any contractual obligation to ATT to do so ( Like the DRM requirements from the record companies).

If they are contractually obligated then I think a lawsuit to determine the legality of such an arrangement would be in order.
 
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