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	ndi	2010-08-16 , 17:54
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*puts down popcorn*

Originally Posted by Texrat

This isn't just semantics. abill_uk IS a native English speaker and his choice of separating "community" from "us" gives the appearance of creating two audiences here. Some have asked for clarification and received none.

The fact he's a native speaker is not important here. Native or not, an explanation should be requested, and received. Native language barriers only apply to the first post, not subsequent explanations, clarifications or lack thereof. IMO.

Originally Posted by Texrat

EDIT: but again, the thread has become about the poster rather than his subject. I am hovering over the Close function...

Wait...

*grabs popcorn, adjusts 3D glasses*

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Bratag	2010-08-16 , 17:56
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I am confused - is his USB host work independent or in conjunction with the community http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52227 one?

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chan32167	2010-08-16 , 17:58
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Originally Posted by doksng

After reading through all the 20 threads, I can say that this is turning into a real "Maemo Soap Opera"

abill_uk, a simple video showing your USB OTG method working would really be interesting to see.

Indeed it would be interesting to see, and he would not be giving his secrets so he can still make money, but i will just point to a nice web page i found http://healthmad.com/mental-health/h...ological-liar/

i will keep calling him BS unless proven wrong... just because the "ENGLISH LAW"(http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51864) says i can...

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	Dousan	2010-08-16 , 18:17
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Originally Posted by chan32167

Indeed it would be interesting to see, and he would not be giving his secrets so he can still make money, but i will just point to a nice web page i found http://healthmad.com/mental-health/h...ological-liar/

Just my thoughts aswell, cause he do contradict himself alot and is very vague when answering and a vid would not tell his 'secret' but reveal him as a liar if thats the case... And who wouldn't document this kind off progress and post it with an announcement/wip here on TMO?

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Bratag	2010-08-16 , 18:21
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Originally Posted by Dousan

Just my thoughts aswell, cause he do contradict himself alot and is very vague when answering and a vid would not tell his 'secret' but reveal him as a liar if thats the case... And who wouldn't document this kind off progress and post it with an announcement/wip here on TMO?

I should also point out that the gamegripper is a perfect example of how a company can make money by working WITH the community.

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Corso85	2010-08-16 , 18:48
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Originally Posted by imperiallight

And there lies the crux of it, most of us end users don't want to and shouldn't have to depend solely on non commercial developers. We should have the opportunity to buy apps created by teams of paid developers. The device itself should be looked to be improved by Nokia so as to be competitive. The community is a bonus and they don't owe anybody anything. Other devices have community hackers and scripters too though.

I know you understand this. And to some extent, us end users should "get over it and face reality". We got screwed during the limited lifespan of the n900. And the next device by being immediately cross compatible with symbian apps and with a bigger Nokia expenditure and focus will probably be better.

I don't think its right that annoyed users bring everyone else down, especially not developers and happy users but I do think they should have an area to vent, give feedback and criticism. Perhaps a debate and discussion area should be made and users can opt out of them appearing on their feed.

I could not agree with you more. I'm slowly forming an understanding of how things are. The people at this forum are not to blame. Nokia is to blame.

My current approach is simple. I advise people here or people I personally know against buying any Nokia device and hope that my sentiment propagates. Not by being rude, but by just opening their eyes to look beyond the specs on paper. In essence, I believe that this is the approach that has any chance of getting Nokia's attention.

In the mean time, I try to enjoy as much as I can from the N900, as I save up to move on to another device.

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	chemist	2010-08-17 , 09:51
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To pickup with the OP,
asking for "real" answers with claiming lies? (no proof == lie)

You are asking the wrong people me thinks! We are here for Maemo and you are asking the Maemo Community to run MeeGo?! Wrong place I guess. You are asking for answers from Nokia... and again this is not Nokia this is Maemo Community.

For the blame/flame/rant/pointing-fingers thing going on in any thread you join or start, would you mind to stop it initially? People are offended by stating gossip as facts. I have done this so many times now with PMs and asking or even whining for Reggie to agree with you wont help. I know only 2 people in TMO personally and call them friends at the same but I agree with many I do not know.

As offended as you are people please step back from any posts which are not on topic with OP, please at least try to be objective. If someone puts up gossip as facts proof him wrong or ask for a proof. No need to get personal.

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abill_uk	2010-08-17 , 10:29
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Originally Posted by chemist

To pickup with the OP,
asking for "real" answers with claiming lies? (no proof == lie)

You are asking the wrong people me thinks! We are here for Maemo and you are asking the Maemo Community to run MeeGo?! Wrong place I guess. You are asking for answers from Nokia... and again this is not Nokia this is Maemo Community.

For the blame/flame/rant/pointing-fingers thing going on in any thread you join or start, would you mind to stop it initially? People are offended by stating gossip as facts. I have done this so many times now with PMs and asking or even whining for Reggie to agree with you wont help. I know only 2 people in TMO personally and call them friends at the same but I agree with many I do not know.

As offended as you are people please step back from any posts which are not on topic with OP, please at least try to be objective. If someone puts up gossip as facts proof him wrong or ask for a proof. No need to get personal.

Your post is very very confusing indeed and i want some answers if i may have them.

You state this is a Maemo community and we are told by Nokia Maemo is dead and they have moved on to Meego so why is this community trying to keep alive a dead system when the whole world knows Meego is where Nokia are going.?

Ok second confusing issue here you say this is not Nokia but we are told this forum is owned by Nokia and as it deals 99.99% with Nokia products then why you say this is not Nokia?.

Thirdly and finally i have asked Mods alike for a long time now and many people have the same issues as myself with the "blame/flame/rant/pointing-fingers thing going on" (your words) so why after reviewing TMO policy is it STILL going on ? why have are the Mods allowing and encouraging this kind of behaviour on this forum?.
Do you now realise the damage it does to make people sick and tired and actually put off trying to gain ground when all that happens is the usual crowd shout down in abuse and are allowed to get away with it.. for what reason? where is the positivity in that? do you not see it causes grief which ever way you look at it?.

When you sort that out the problems will cease and we will indeed have a user friendly society that we can feel comfortable with dont you agree here ?.

Ok my final point is about USB OTG and i want to explain something to the people who just do not understand why i dont give out thwe information regarding mods,

Firstly it is NOT working properly because the OS will not allow it too as it battles with drivers written and becomes very snaggy indeed.
Secondly the mods mean some track cutting and linking and some quite extensive complicated close eye soldering best done under a mag and the very reason it is not suitable for users in general and i do not want to be blamed for there mistakes !.
Inside the N900 is not easy to re-work and Nokia most certainly did not allow any provision for usb otg in any way or form.
The final reason i am not issuing any details is because under test we very nearly had a fire on our hands as the current being drawn from a second voltage input very nearly flashed into flames.

Please underdstand and respect my wishes as a very experianced component engineer for over 25 yrs because if i say no then that means there is problems OK !.
I will not publish pictures or video because this will only get users more frustrated and even if i did show you the protortype it is not pretty as holes had to be drilled in the case for an extra usb socket and a voltage connector (charge pin).

We also did tests on overclocking and the cpu most certainly did get very warm indeed when the usb mods were completed as far as we could get them.

We need a different approach with preferably a better OS with all driver details available which can only come from Nokia i believe.

The most important issue here is not the usb but the way this community operates and allowed abuse that takes place, not only does it get peoples back up it also pushes them away from this community and that really does need to be understood because if it is not dealt with then bang go any chances of real forward development i can tell you certainly from this stable !.

abill_uk	2010-08-17 , 10:36
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THere is NO NEED for abuse in any way or form and should be obliterated from ANY forum let alone this one so please review your abuse policy because they are NOT working as you have Mods making comments that just encourage the abusers !.

An abuse policy should not allow ANY abuse in ANY way or form.

	nicolai	2010-08-17 , 10:42
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Originally Posted by abill_uk

You state this is a Maemo community and we are told by Nokia Maemo is dead and they have moved on to Meego so why is this community trying to keep alive a dead system when the whole world knows Meego is where Nokia are going.?

Maybe we have different interpretation for the term "dead system".
My system is pretty much alive. My N900 runs Maemo5. And
as long as there are developer working for this system
(including me) and as long as there are users interested in
this device, I wouldn't call it dead (regardless where nokia
decides to move on).

Originally Posted by abill_uk

Ok second confusing issue here you say this is not Nokia but we are told this forum is owned by Nokia and as it deals 99.99% with Nokia products then why you say this is not Nokia?.

Becaus this is the community forum. There is an official
Nokia forum, too.

Originally Posted by abill_uk

Ok my final point is about USB OTG and i want to explain ...

Why on earth did you mentioned your work on USB OTG?

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Nicolai

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