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	rm42	2010-08-19 , 14:20
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Originally Posted by johnel

Oh well I'll post something completely off-topic.

Does anyone know if Meego will have "proper" support for bluetooth keyboards and will "USB Host mode" will be included too?

Thanks for making a very good point. Unfortunately, talk.Maemo.org forum is like the wild west. Trolls and off topic posts prosper merrily to the detriment of the forum. This place is in need of much stronger moderation. In my opinion.

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johnel	2010-08-19 , 14:22
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Originally Posted by Venemo

Depends on the actual device and drivers.

Thanks.

That really answered my question.

That was a clear factual definitive answer.

(You would be an ideal candidate for a position with Nokia's Marketing and Public Relations department.)

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loukkis	2010-08-19 , 15:52
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Originally Posted by johnel

Thanks.

That really answered my question.

That was a clear factual definitive answer.

(You would be an ideal candidate for a position with Nokia's Marketing and Public Relations department.)

Answer was good and you can read rest of it between the lines..

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fatalsaint	2010-08-20 , 02:41
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Originally Posted by johnel

Thanks.

That really answered my question.

That was a clear factual definitive answer.

(You would be an ideal candidate for a position with Nokia's Marketing and Public Relations department.)

More expanded answer:
MeeGo is Linux and will be capable of supporting anything Linux is capable of. The device you get with MeeGo on it may not have the necessary hardware for it, however.

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	Venemo	2010-08-20 , 09:20
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Originally Posted by johnel

Does anyone know if Meego will have "proper" support for bluetooth keyboards and will "USB Host mode" will be included too?

Originally Posted by johnel

That really answered my question.
That was a clear factual definitive answer.

Okay.
I will elaborate more.
MeeGo uses the Linux kernel and it is definitely capable of providing USB host mode, if there are proper drivers for that on the device that you use.

Eg. USB Host works on Linux on my Laptop. Thus it will work on MeeGo too.

BUT... the fact that MeeGo supports it doesn't mean that every MeeGo device can support it. If someone builds a MeeGo device without proper drivers for USB host, it won't work. If someone builds a MeeGo device with proper drivers, it will work.

We currenty don't know whether the next Nokia MeeGo device will have it or not. (There are speculations about it, though.)

But... the point of my previous answer is: it is not up to MeeGo, but up to the device manufacturer.

Originally Posted by johnel

(You would be an ideal candidate for a position with Nokia's Marketing and Public Relations department.)

Haha! Thanks! Do they pay well?

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johnel	2010-08-20 , 09:41
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Originally Posted by Venemo

Okay.
I will elaborate more.
MeeGo uses the Linux kernel and it is definitely capable of providing USB host mode, if there are proper drivers for that on the device that you use.

Eg. USB Host works on Linux on my Laptop. Thus it will work on MeeGo too.

BUT... the fact that MeeGo supports it doesn't mean that every MeeGo device can support it. If someone builds a MeeGo device without proper drivers for USB host, it won't work. If someone builds a MeeGo device with proper drivers, it will work.

We currenty don't know whether the next Nokia MeeGo device will have it or not. (There are speculations about it, though.)

But... the point of my previous answer is: it is not up to MeeGo, but up to the device manufacturer.

Haha! Thanks! Do they pay well?

Actually, the reason I asked the question was because of the work done in maemo to get "USB host" working via software.

AFAIK, the "USB host" hack almost works (inconsistently) but I think the developers are having some kind of trouble with the BME (it's closed source). Also, I think the meego developers are working on an open-source BME which means the "USB Host" hackers can utilise it and maybe solve the problem on Meego.

Also I think the bluetooth drivers on maemo are incomplete(?) but with Meego "being more linux-like" than maemo maybe a proper bluetooth stack will be installable - which hopefully would mean decent device support.

You would be over-qualified to work within Nokia - you can actually converse with other people in an intelligent manner!

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	Venemo	2010-08-20 , 09:52
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Originally Posted by johnel

Actually, the reason I asked the question was because of the work done in maemo to get "USB host" working via software.

Yes. As it turns out, the hardware supports it, but the drivers are not proper...

Originally Posted by johnel

AFAIK, the "USB host" hack almost works (inconsistently) but I think the developers are having some kind of trouble with the BME (it's closed source). Also, I think the meego developers are working on an open-source BME which means the "USB Host" hackers can utilise it and maybe solve the problem on Meego.

Yep... BME (Battery Management Entity) is closed source... because of this come some of the problems. Actually some people were trying to reverse-engineer it (with disassemblers and stuff).

The general opinion is that Nokia didn't open source it because they were ashamed of the poor quality of the code.

Originally Posted by johnel

Also I think the bluetooth drivers on maemo are incomplete(?) but with Meego "being more linux-like" than maemo maybe a proper bluetooth stack will be installable - which hopefully would mean decent device support.

I haven't heard about this yet. What do you mean by "being more Linux-like"?

Originally Posted by johnel

You would be over-qualified to work within Nokia - you can actually converse with other people in an intelligent manner!

Haha! Thanks!

btw, I always feel weirdly in such discussions, since the abbreviation BME means something totally different to me.
(BME = Budapesti Műszaki Egyetem = Budapest University of Technology)

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	ndi	2010-08-20 , 12:46
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Originally Posted by imperiallight

*Capacitive is better than resistive technology for palm use unless you want to draw something on a tiny screen, that's why people keep banging that drum on here.

We've been through it million times. Capacitive versus resistive is A PREFERENCE. Let's leave it to die already. There is no argument that one is "better" so long as people actively choose the worse version. SATA is better than IDE, that's why it died out. PCI-e is better than PCI. Capacitive isn't a superset of resistive.

So please, people, leave it at that.

ETA: One more. Faster isn't better if you are faster at it. IPhone OSK is faster for you, great. Dvorak is faster for trained people. Good luck selling that. Faster is not better. There are people faster on T9 than others on QWERTY. A far cry from "better".

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	Texrat	2010-08-20 , 13:00
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All things said, this is a forum built around Maemo devices. There will of course be a default desire and defense of that platform. Same desire and defense for Apple products you will see in Apple communities. Etc etc etc.

It amazes me that some members of this community seem to disregard that.

It's not out of line to favor the product(s) around which your community was built. It IS out of line, however, for anyone to troll a community. It's also disingenuous to complain about natural, normal behavior of product fans in their own community. And spreading FUD is cheap.

Originally Posted by johnel

You would be over-qualified to work within Nokia - you can actually converse with other people in an intelligent manner!

THAT is uncalled for.

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Laughing Man	2010-08-20 , 13:06
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Originally Posted by ndi

We've been through it million times. Capacitive versus resistive is A PREFERENCE. Let's leave it to die already. There is no argument that one is "better" so long as people actively choose the worse version. SATA is better than IDE, that's why it died out. PCI-e is better than PCI. Capacitive isn't a superset of resistive.

So please, people, leave it at that.

ETA: One more. Faster isn't better if you are faster at it. IPhone OSK is faster for you, great. Dvorak is faster for trained people. Good luck selling that. Faster is not better. There are people faster on T9 than others on QWERTY. A far cry from "better".

While I agree it's mostly a preference, I would also say it depends on the use case too. A capacitive screen trying to hit buttons in say a program ran in Easy Debian would not be fun no matter what preference you have.

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