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#51
Originally Posted by johnkzin View Post
Neat ... but in order for Nokia to sellt it in both the US and Europe, wouldn't it have to support both RDS and RBDS?
According to this Wikipedia entry, the two are almost identical...
The difference is in the "Program Type" codes used by each system.

Should be fairly easy to define both codes in a table.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System

While we're talking about FM radios and USA/Europe, I just thought of something: When I was stationed in Italy in the 80's, I remember the FM stations there being 50 Khz apart, rather than 100 KHz. In fact, my Sansui receiver has a switch in the back to make it compatible. Further research on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM_radio) indicates that, while most of the world uses the same band of frequences (Japan being a notable exception) not all use 100 KHz, and not all are on "odd" channels.

So, for our European brethren, how does the Nokia FM receiver work in your country?
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#52
Originally Posted by johnkzin View Post
Have you tried displaying to your desktop/laptop via VNC server? (I did see a VNC server option for the N800, didn't I?)
Displaying the N800 X desktop remotely is possible, but this is not really feasible if you're giving presentations in conferences and other random places.
 
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#53
Originally Posted by johnkzin View Post
charge via USB. These days, people make wall->USB chargers, car->USB chargers.... seems to me, the idea of a separate plug for charging is a waste.
As Micro-USB is becoming the cell phone charging standard that Nokia has said they will also support, I'm quite sure this will happen eventually. But maybe not yet in the next device...
 
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#54
Originally Posted by bergie View Post
Displaying the N800 X desktop remotely is possible, but this is not really feasible if you're giving presentations in conferences and other random places.
I'm mainly thinking in terms of using it as a single light-weight workstation.

I know someone in another thread said "this is not your desktop PC" kinda thing, but the reality is that for what things I put on it, it could do maybe 80% of what I need my desktop to do.

1) regular email

2) social web browsing (which includes sites like this one, reading live journal, etc.)

3) IM

4) basic PIM



Most of that is things that "I'll check or do lightly on the N800, but want to swtich to desktop if I have to do a real amount of it", and the reason for wanting to switch to the desktop is: once there's a lot of typing, or a page designed for a large screen, it stops being convenient to use the N800. So then I want to switch to my desktop ... which is itself inconvenient because I have to disconnect from IM on the N800 and reconnect to it on the desktop (or something similar). A bluetooth keyboard solves _some_ of that, but not all of it. A large display would fix the rest.

So, instead, having a VNC server on the N800, I could

1) do basic low-typing low-resolution tasks on the N800
2) when a task or conversation comes along that is more intensive, instead of signing out of the N800's version of that application, I'd just start VNC Server.
3) Then I'd start VNC client on the desktop machine (which could even be a really bare-bones thin client), and connect to the N800's VNC server.
4) perform the task, without having interrupted the N800's session(s)
5) when the task is over, disconnect from VNC, shut down VNC server on the N800, and go back to step 1.


It could equally be done with a bluetooth keyboard and a display-out on the N800 (mini-dvi maybe), which would also serve as a means of using the N800 as a media player for modern TV's ... but VNC server only requires a software solution, where a video-out requires a hardware modification. For flexibility, it'd be ideal to have both, though.
 
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#55
I really hope the next tablet won't have a hardware keyboard... If I need to type a book I will use my laptop, the tablet should be small and light. The virtual keyboard is enough to type a short email, or to reply to messages in a chat program.

Nokia, PLEASE don't attach a hardware keyboard to the tablet.

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#56
Originally Posted by ioan View Post
I really hope the next tablet won't have a hardware keyboard... If I need to type a book I will use my laptop, the tablet should be small and light. The virtual keyboard is enough to type a short email, or to reply to messages in a chat program.

Nokia, PLEASE don't attach a hardware keyboard to the tablet.

-ioan
What if there is two models, one with keyboard and one without?

Or what if the keyboard is optional accessory, detachable from base unit?

Then everyone should be pleased...
 
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#57
Originally Posted by Mara View Post
What if there is two models, one with keyboard and one without?

Or what if the keyboard is optional accessory, detachable from base unit?

Then everyone should be pleased...
I'd be happy with that. Rhino made a hard aluminum shell for the palm pilot, once upon a time. If it had a place to firmly hold the N800/N900 on one side, and a bluetooth (or USB) keyboard on the other, and a hinge that can lock into different angles for comfortable holding and typing, I could get behind that configuration.

ideal:

1) N900 has USB host, and slides in to its side of the hard case from one end, and locks into place when it slides onto the USB plug. (if you hold the case like a book, then the N900 slides in from the top; if you hold the case like micro-laptop, then it slides in from the left)

2) the other side of the case has a thumb keyboard, battery (self power for the keyboard, so that the N900's USB host doesn't need to be powered), external USB slot, and maybe a USB card reader built in for holding 1-2 SD cards.

3) optional: the keyboard can also be used via bluetooth, so you could leave the N900 on the desk, and use the keyboard remotely

4) highly desired, but ultimately optional: the keyboard side of the case has something that can extend its size, for the ergonomic reasons I keep harping on.


So, if you don't want a keyboard, or micro-laptop, you don't buy this case. If you want a hard case and/or keyboard/micro-laptop, you buy this case.
 
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#58
Originally Posted by johnkzin View Post
I'm mainly thinking in terms of using it as a single light-weight workstation.

I know someone in another thread said "this is not your desktop PC" kinda thing, but the reality is that for what things I put on it, it could do maybe 80% of what I need my desktop to do.
Typically that comment is made after someone gripes about the N800 being underpowered. The "underpowered" sort of remark lacks perspective. But I'm with you: given reasonable expectations the tablet can easily handle a vast array of everyday functions. I can just about abandon my laptop at work and rely an N800 alone. If only our Outlook Web Client supported personal folders...
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#59
Right on!
I remember back in the early eighties someone used a Z80 to control a two hour multprojector presentation synced to a Beatles soundtrack. That show toured the world. It required quite a set-up crew but I believe it was replicated by other companies and a lot of people saw it.

The point is, the N800 as it sits could do all that and more.
Hell it has potentially more capabilities than my first notebook, and that ran Windows!

Back on topic...

I think Nokia could and should provide as many versions or "forms" as they can imagine for the current firm/software.

Likewise, I think all the "functions" of the the current firm/software have yet to be realized.

One of the reasons I jumped on this bus was because I no longer wanted to be on the 18 month treadmill of hardware obsolescence that WinTel had me on.

In the long run that treadmill stifles creativity and snuffs out imagination.
 
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#60
to bad those usb-enabled samsung displays need special drivers to work.

if one could hook a display up to the N800, and use a bluetooth keyboard, then there would not be much need for a bigger device much of the time.

there is also this story:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...82&postcount=1

all in all, unless your working with stuff that need much number crunching, the kind of device needed is interestingly "weak". hell, even microsoft is looking into turning smartphones into third world computers by hooking them up to tv's iirc.
 
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